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Jer 48:10 Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.

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Originally Posted by n0mad
I'm so sick of this crap that floats round. Tell "someone" that they are an idiot, and to keep their mouth shut and stop spreading misinformation. Having an nfa doesn't sacrifice any of rights. You are required by law to be able to produce the weapon if the atf shows up at your door step and asks to see it. You don't have to let them in to search your house. You are only required to produce the weapon, to validate it is still in your possession. (not sure how trusts work). You also have to tell them when you change residences. The main headache with nfa is getting all the paper work right, and waiting for the stamp, and updating your residence. That and dealing with morons like "someone" who walk up to you at the range while shooting your SBR/full auto, and accuse of you breaking the law without bothering to ask if the gun is legal. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've had someone tell me "YOU CAN'T PUT A STOCK ON AN AK PISTOL THAT"S AN SBR.... YOU BETTER PUT THAT AWAY BEFORE SOMEONE SEES IT!"

I even had the sheriffs dept called on me, the deputy that showed up was a buddy of mine who owns a couple jap light machine guns, and knows I have a stamp for my sbr. So he put a couple of rounds down range thanked me and went on with his day :-).
The guys who run our range know me... (I'm an instructor).. it was some other patron, who made an anonymous call. There was a cluster of guys shooting that where watching me when the deputy came over.. they immediately walked over when he left and asked if they could shoot it. I told them "next time ask me before calling the cops" Two of them turned bright red and I knew I had my culprits. I packed up and left.

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Fill out all the paperwork and wait, then wait, and wait a little more. Get aproved by your local CLEO, find a class 3 dealer to work with ya and, after all that, remember,
FA firearms are really expensive....some are like "new SS Camaro or a gun that I may not be able to shoot at my local range...."

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Originally Posted by drbones2nd
Common list of "myths" and ignorant accusations.

1. You cant own that!! I know!!!

2. You must have a class 92 license to own that right???

3. Yeah, I heard that the ATF can come over to your house anytime!

4. Dont you gotta pay the ATF a fee every year???



The fact is, you do not lose anymore of your rights being a class 3 owner than you do owning any other firearm. Yes, there is a different transfer process involved and you must notify the NFA branch if you plan on taking your gun across state lines. Apart from that, not much different. You only go though the transfer process one time and only pay the transfer tax of $200, one time.

I have been a class 3 dealer for 8 years now and have never even had a phone call from the ATF let alone being raided by them in the middle of the night...lol..


The fact is, the majority of the public are just plain ignorant to NFA ownership so they resort to these rumors and half truths to make them sound important and knowlegeable. As the saying goes, a little bit of knowlege can be dangerous in the hands of an ignorant few.

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On a Federal level, there is no "license" to own an NFA firearm. You find a dealer or individual with a registered gun for sale you want to buy, fill out a few federal forms including fingerprints and photos, have your local LE sign off on the forms and send them in with the $200 transfer tax. After a while (months usually) the forms will come back approved with a tax stamp affixed. This is your registration and proof of tax paid, all that the Feds require. You now take possession of the firearm. If you ever want to travel out of state with it or move out of state, another form has to be filed, mainly so they can track where the gun is.

You can also apply to build your own, again forms have to be filed and tax paid, once they are approved you can start building. Machine Guns, however, are a special case. The new production of machine guns for civillian ownership was banned back in 1986, all the transferable ones out there were registered prior to this. This finite supply is why some rare MGs can run into $20,000+ even though the same gun could be built today for $1,000 or less.

Local LE signoff is usually the problem encountered by most, you can form a corporation or living trust to bypass this, however. As a "legal person" a trust or corp can own property (guns!) and doesn't need the signoff.

State and local laws vary, many states ban or regulate some NFA firearms. Some require an actual owner's license.

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Originally Posted by KernelKrink
On a Federal level, there is no "license" to own an NFA firearm. You find a dealer or individual with a registered gun for sale you want to buy, fill out a few federal forms including fingerprints and photos, have your local LE sign off on the forms and send them in with the $200 transfer tax. After a while (months usually) the forms will come back approved with a tax stamp affixed. This is your registration and proof of tax paid, all that the Feds require. You now take possession of the firearm. If you ever want to travel out of state with it or move out of state, another form has to be filed, mainly so they can track where the gun is.

You can also apply to build your own, again forms have to be filed and tax paid, once they are approved you can start building. Machine Guns, however, are a special case. The new production of machine guns for civillian ownership was banned back in 1986, all the transferable ones out there were registered prior to this. This finite supply is why some rare MGs can run into $20,000+ even though the same gun could be built today for $1,000 or less.

Local LE signoff is usually the problem encountered by most, you can form a corporation or living trust to bypass this, however. As a "legal person" a trust or corp can own property (guns!) and doesn't need the signoff.

State and local laws vary, many states ban or regulate some NFA firearms. Some require an actual owner's license.

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i heard that in europe you can buy supressors anywhere or even through the mail.does anyone know if this is fact or fiction for sure?

Yep, in most Eoropean countries silencers are sold without restrictions, or very little. I have one silencer book that shows a cardboard display box like you see at the local ACE Hardware here, usually filled with cheap screwdrivers for an impulse buy at the register. Only this one was filled with $9 French aluminum .22 suppressors. "Universal" thread on the rear, a separate adapter for the specific firearm is purchased separately. I guess you toss the suppressor when it gets too dirty and buy another, at $9 it isn't worth the time to strip it down. Finland encourages suppressor use at public ranges to cut down on noise pollution, they even suppress large caliber MGs. UK, IIRC you have to buy from a gun dealer and get prior police approval, essentially same rules for buying a gun. However, from what I understand in most places if you qualify for a gun a silencer for it is generally approved as well.

I'm not sure about other countries but they are banned in Denmark, Sweden and I believe, Norway.

"Finland encourages suppressor use at public ranges to cut down on noise pollution, they even suppress large caliber MGs. UK, IIRC you have to buy from a gun dealer and get prior police approval, essentially same rules for buying a gun. However, from what I understand in most places if you qualify for a gun a silencer for it is generally approved as well."

They certainly do allow them . In fact some ranges you can't go on unless you have a supressor and the govt actually funds supressor research!! Complete opposite of the surrounding Scandinavian countries that see the supressor as the tool of assassins. Too much Kool Aid drinking and Hollywood films being watched the the politicians.....

cal44walker

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Originally Posted by ShortShot
Someone told me

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Originally Posted by azhonkey
not true.

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Originally Posted by KernelKrink
On a Federal level, there is no "license" to own an NFA firearm. You find a dealer or individual with a registered gun for sale you want to buy, fill out a few federal forms including fingerprints and photos, have your local LE sign off on the forms and send them in with the $200 transfer tax. After a while (months usually) the forms will come back approved with a tax stamp affixed. This is your registration and proof of tax paid, all that the Feds require. You now take possession of the firearm. If you ever want to travel out of state with it or move out of state, another form has to be filed, mainly so they can track where the gun is.

You can also apply to build your own, again forms have to be filed and tax paid, once they are approved you can start building. Machine Guns, however, are a special case. The new production of machine guns for civillian ownership was banned back in 1986, all the transferable ones out there were registered prior to this. This finite supply is why some rare MGs can run into $20,000+ even though the same gun could be built today for $1,000 or less.

Local LE signoff is usually the problem encountered by most, you can form a corporation or living trust to bypass this, however. As a "legal person" a trust or corp can own property (guns!) and doesn't need the signoff.

State and local laws vary, many states ban or regulate some NFA firearms. Some require an actual owner's license.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by PSLsniper
So I take it by MG, you mean any select fire weapon? In other words, you can request to build, via the ATF, a SBR but you cannot convert that AK you have sitting around to full auto..

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Originally Posted by Trueno
Not just an AK, a private individual may not convert any firearm to FA. There is no license, stamp, or secret handshake that will allow you to do so...


so don't.

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Originally Posted by PSLsniper
I was just using the AK for an example

Besides, Im sick of the SAW im issued for the Army. lol Full auto is really over rated. I can count on one hand how many times I have used burst for the military. Its all semi auto shooting.

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Originally Posted by requiem
i've fired enough full autos to know that aside from being good fiscal investments, they are way over rated. They have a coolness factor, but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by drbones2nd
Well to me, no matter how hard you try to convince your self that full auto is over rated or wastes ammo, there is a reason that the worlds militarys still manufacture their guns as select fire. With proper stance, a full auto anything is very very controllable, even a G3 or M14.

Most guys I talk with that bash full auto guns are usually the ones that cannot, or are not willing to shell out the money for one and convince themselves and otheres that full auto is useless. I just love being at a range with guys that have decked out semi ar15's and just for giggles, flick my M16 to auto and run a long burst... Range goes quiet and the eyes are wide and curious. No matter how many horns, lasers or sites you put on an AR or AK, its still not the same as a real select fire rifle like it was intended to be.


Lets face it, most of us collect guns to shoot recreationally and there is nothing like a select fire gun to cure that itch.

Opinions vary.

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Originally Posted by requiem
that's all fine an dandy! FA's are cool and fun, but i do not think it's morally correct to seek permission (and pay) a corrupt government for the privilege of owning something. That's just me.

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Originally Posted by drbones2nd
So, for you, not owning full autos is more of a political statement, not what you posted earlier about them having any real practicality???

Do you pay taxes?

Taxes are also mandated by the government and was curious if you pay taxes since they are theoretically unconstitutional?

The purpose of my original post was to defend those of us that do own full auto guns and do find their usefulness and enjoyment.

We can agree to disagree.

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Man,... you guys invent reasons to argue.