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Old 01-07-2019, 09:34 PM   #1
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Default Best AK based shotgun to buy?

What's the best AK shotgun to pick up in the current market?

We have;

Lynx
VEPRs still in stock
KUSA KS-12

And of course the occasional Saiga that can be found online or locally.

What do y'all recommend?
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Old 01-07-2019, 10:28 PM   #2
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vepr 12. You can still buy the welded factory folders for less than they costed before the ban was announced.

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Just get the VEPR, you’ll be happy you did.
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Figured as much, but didn't want to assume. Heard good things about the Lynx which is half of what a VEPR is right now.

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My son has a Lynx, took some breaking in and a bit of polishing with 600 emery paper on certain parts but it runs great.
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The VEPR 12 is the king of the hill folloed by the KUSA KS 12T
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The VEPR 12 is the king of the hill folloed by the KUSA KS 12T
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And Id go so far as to say the best "tactical" semi shotgun period. No other design offers everything the V-12 and S-12 do..try getting 20+ rnds in a bennelli m4, better yet try getting 20+ rnds in a bennelli m4 with a 8" barrel..try putting a folding stock on a bennelli m4. Whens the last time you saw a bennelli m4, remington 1100/1187/versamax, mossberg 930 etc..with a folding stock, 8" barrel and 20+ rnd capacity?..yeah me neither.

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I prefer the Saiga-12 myself due to weight.. What is the weight of the KS-12 vs the lynx, anyone know?

The Vepr-12 is really well built, but I do find the weight and kinda pointyness to be an issue in using it, the folder stock is super cool, but like most russian folder designs seem to be designed by someone that likes pain and discomfort.. I prefer shooting the JTS-12 to the Vepr but I think the Vepr-12 is always going to hold its value a lot better.. And the JTS will always be a budget gun compared with the Vepr which is looked up to as the gold standard.

I had these weights written down for a video I was going to do last year.
The Vepr-12 with folder is 9.145 with factory five
The JTS-12 is actually right about 9.50 with factory five
Saiga-12 I have with a tapco stock is 7.795 with factory five
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i checked the weight on my sons Lynx with it empty and no mag.

8 pounds and 4 ounces, sounds pretty close to the Saiga-12.
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i checked the weight on my sons Lynx with it empty and no mag.

8 pounds and 4 ounces, sounds pretty close to the Saiga-12.
Iím not super concerned with weight. Iíve read some comments about the Lynx dust cover being an issue?
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+1 for the Saiga 12...magazine availability, plus being Russian made make it my pick. After I broke mine in, it will feed and fire low brass and high brass reliably.
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There where a couple different things I read about the dust covers on the Lynx being stamped too thin depending on production date, my son picked his up in July 2018 and has had no issues with the dust cover.

He has over 800 rounds through it so far.
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The Vepr is everything the S12 wanted to be.
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Fixed poly stock or folding tubular on the VEPR?
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Fixed poly stock or folding tubular on the VEPR?
Like which do I have or which is better? Or what?

The folder is cooler but the fixed stock would be lighter and more comfortable.
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Was wondering which people preferred and why.
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The Vepr is everything the S12 wanted to be.
Vepr is bunch unneeded shit added to a great shotty- s12
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I snagged a fixed tube stock vepr12 locally today. 1st owner only put 5rds through it. I cant wait to shoot it. 10rd Mags are stupid money though.

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Vepr is bunch unneeded shit added to a great shotty- s12
Yeah the magwell, last round bolt hold, ambi selector, extended selector, folding stock, rifle sights are pretty much all just extra weight and complexity that don't add huge amounts of performance..

I think the magazine well is much less robust than the rock lock of the saiga-12.. But the magazine well is faster for most people.
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Yeah the magwell, last round bolt hold, ambi selector, extended selector, folding stock, rifle sights are pretty much all just extra weight and complexity that don't add huge amounts of performance..

I think the magazine well is much less robust than the rock lock of the saiga-12.. But the magazine well is faster for most people.
Agreed, take a fixed stock s12 anyday. Maybe sbs..that be it.
Simple and effective just like the ak. Same manual of arms
Actually prefer the s12 handguard, rear conversion only, and weld up the holes, including the bho slot
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Fixed poly stock or folding tubular on the VEPR?
The folder has a well designed mechanism, but the stock is horribly uncomfortable, 6 degrees of droop with an atrocious cheek rest, instead of a straight line stock that is perfect for aks.

I have a fixed stock shotgun that i bought from atlantic when they first came in, that has one of my folders on it, couldnt be happier, goes great with the selector as well.
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Agreed, take a fixed stock s12 anyday. Maybe sbs..that be it.
Simple and effective just like the ak. Same manual of arms
Actually prefer the s12 handguard, rear conversion only, and weld up the holes, including the bho slot
Yep S-12 handguard is perfect for the task, no extra weight... Bho is not as worthless as the rifle calibers.. But I'd rather have a notched selector lever vs the BHO that the gun comes with.. The selector lever won't have the spring pop off randomly... I lost three birds the fall of 2009 to that stinking BHO spring. Popped off on my second shot and the bolt locked back and I stood there as a dozen or more bird flushed while I was beating on the gun trying to get it to unlock... Got back home and cut a deep notch so the spring would stay put.. Should have pulled it out and thrown it away.
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I will also add that we have tested the Kalashnikov USA KS 12 shotgun and have found it to be solid and reliable . To be honest we were not expecting much when they arrived but were surprised to see the build quality and machining on the parts was above our expectations. If anybody is interested in checking one of these out and posting a review we would be glad to provide you with a equitable discount and the ability to return the gun if you were not happy.
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vepr 12. You can still buy the welded factory folders for less than they costed before the ban was announced.

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Where is this? I bought my welded folder for $799 shipped 2 days before the ban was announced. I would be thrilled to see where you found them for this price.
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Vepr is bunch unneeded shit added to a great shotty- s12
Except that unlike the S12, every Veper I've seen runs right out of the box and didn't need tons of work to be dependable.
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Great comments all.

I'm more interested in the Saiga pattern so when Im looking for one, a used Saiga, the Lynx or the K12 will be where I'm looking.

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Here is a pic of the KS 12T in FDE


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Here is a pic of the KS 12T in FDE


Personally I'm not a fan of any of the furniture on that gun.

And I say that as someone with an FDE Vickers G19 and an FDE LaRue build.

Still interested in it though. If I can't source a Saiga I'll be looking hard at one of these. And of course I'll buy through you guys as well.

Off-topic, but I sent you guys a message through your site about a rifle
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Vepr 12 , all the way . I own a factory short barrel . Goes bang EVERY TIME trigger is pulled . The weight is an advantage when firing , helps with recoil . Eats any ammo I feed it , slugs down to trap loads . This gun is a beast . Makes every trip I go to the range .
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Where is this? I bought my welded folder for $799 shipped 2 days before the ban was announced. I would be thrilled to see where you found them for this price.
I was going off the March 2017 prices. Atlantic had them for $979. There were a few places cheaper while I was shopping, but went with Atlantic because they're good people. Gunsmidwest had them $900 a week ago.
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овчарка , They offer the KS 12T in black , FDE & OD Green so there are a few flavors to pick from. The emails should be caught up but if you did not get a response please feel free to PM me .
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I prefer the Saiga-12 myself due to weight.. What is the weight of the KS-12 vs the lynx, anyone know?

The Vepr-12 is really well built, but I do find the weight and kinda pointyness to be an issue in using it, the folder stock is super cool, but like most russian folder designs seem to be designed by someone that likes pain and discomfort.. I prefer shooting the JTS-12 to the Vepr but I think the Vepr-12 is always going to hold its value a lot better.. And the JTS will always be a budget gun compared with the Vepr which is looked up to as the gold standard.

I had these weights written down for a video I was going to do last year.
The Vepr-12 with folder is 9.145 with factory five
The JTS-12 is actually right about 9.50 with factory five
Saiga-12 I have with a tapco stock is 7.795 with factory five
Wow the vepr side folder really adds some weight, I just weighed my vepr 12(non folder) but with full RPK furniture/stock, no muzzle brake no mag...came in about 7.5 lbs.
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Yeah, not just weight, but I once I realized the VEPR is magwell vs rock n lock it really turned me off to it.
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Yeah, not just weight, but I once I realized the VEPR is magwell vs rock n lock it really turned me off to it.
There are plenty of tutorial on 'converting' a vepr12 to use the s12 pattern mags. Iirc, it's not permanent and it takes about 10 minutes if you're taking your time.
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