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Old 01-12-2019, 08:53 AM   #36
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One posted on GunBroker.

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Old 01-12-2019, 11:27 AM   #37
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I just asked the seller if that was one from Classic.

...Guy answered back that yes, he got it from classic, but they didn't honor the 799 and that it cost him "a lot more".

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That seems to be a theme with classic.
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:39 PM   #39
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I REALLY want one but $1600 is just crazy.
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I REALLY want one but $1600 is just crazy.
I was going to as I have had money set aside for this very gun for awhile, but just can't pay that much out of principal. I know for a fact these will be 600-809 when they are available in numbers.
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Buy a kit and start building
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Old 01-13-2019, 12:05 PM   #42
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I know for a fact these will be 600-809 when they are available in numbers.
You received this information from a specific distributor?
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If I remember correctly Classic stated they obtained the rights to distribute these so there shouldn't be any other vendors for some time.
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If I remember correctly Classic stated they obtained the rights to distribute these so there shouldn't be any other vendors for some time.
So we should believe them next time they crow about having "the last ones" and so forth?
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If I remember correctly Classic stated they obtained the rights to distribute these so there shouldn't be any other vendors for some time.
This would suck if true, I would believe this would be just like their pps-43 pistols.
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ABC. Anybody But Classic ! Shills at best !
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This would suck if true, I would believe this would be just like their pps-43 pistols.

They also had the exclusive rights to the FX9 pistols and rifles for the 1st year or two. I was interested in one when they 1st came out then I saw I had to buy from them so I moved on to a different 9mm carbine platform.
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Well, here is another vendor... but they're out of their damn minds....

https://www.centerfiresystems.com/p-...-15rd-mag.aspx
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Well, here is another vendor... but they're out of their damn minds....

https://www.centerfiresystems.com/p-...-15rd-mag.aspx
Damn and people bought them...
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God, I've lusted after a PM-63 forever. Such a beautiful piece of firearm art in my opinion.

I've wanted one so much that I've contemplated learning how to weld just to re-weld a kit. I think I came across a WeaponsGuild thread a long time about them...doesn't seem like a walk in the park, but I've got time!

But sure would be nice to see these available in quantity through a trustworthy source.
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Damn and people bought them...


CFS had them up as "out of stock" for at least 3 weeks (well before Classic sent out their email advertising them). I think they just have that up there letting people know they will be in stock soon.

So has anybody actually gotten their hands on one? I havent seen them back for sale on classic, and I havent seen anything on youtube about them. Also the gunbroker auction didnt sell either.
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In stock at classic, $1299.99. Nope
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Yeah, sure does look good and loads of fun but nobody in their right mind is going too pay that kind of money for a range toy.

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Damn, I was a buyer at 7-800.. !299? Nope.
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So I’ve been lusting over a pm-63 for a long time....since 2013 to be exact .....live called pioneer several times wanting to know when they would finally be come available. Center fire systems has had it up in their site for almost a year at $1399 out of stock....in anticipation of them coming in. I have a good friend of mine who is a dealer and has told me that thru the great vine the street price on these will be $1399-$1499 although he could not order them ....I guess classic firearms exclusivity (at least for now) may have some thruth to it. Anyways, when I saw them at classic for $799 I figured it was an error but hey ....who am I to complain....so when they called me asking for more money I wasn’t happy but wasn’t too surprised either and given how long I’ve waited for it and what I was expecting them to go for .....I figured the $1299 plus $50 off they offered me wasnt too bad. I’m gonna get one eventually....might as well get it now and save $50. Who knows how many will be coming in. Who pays $1250 for a range toy? I guess the same people that spend $1700 on a desert eagle, $1200 on a custom 10/22 and 8k on a semiauto m249 (I don’t have any of those btw). I’m just saying.....everyone’s got their soft spots....don’t judge ;-)

Anyways, after the first 20 sold Within minutes , my coworker called classic asking when they would be getting more.....they told him they will be more of a nieche item and won’t be a “regularly stocked /mass produced item” like the pps-43.......they also told him that if people that ordered and had their payment refunded did not want to buy them at $1299, they would be put back up for sale.......I’m guessing that’s where the ones available on their site came from...also, according to classic the price on these will be $1399...they sold it at $1299 as they still honored the “deal of the day” price of $100 off (plus an extra $50 for the inconvenience)......don’t know if it’s true or just sales tactics....it’s just what they told him.....take it for what it’s worth. I’m just repeating what classic told me and my buddie

Anyways......I bought it and comes in tomorrow.....I’ll take some unboxing and detail pics in the evening or thurs and post them.

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So Iíve been listing over a pm-63 for a long time....since 2013 to be exact .....live called pioneer several times wanting to know when they would finally be come available. Center fire systems has had it up in their site for almost a year at $1399 out of stock....in anticipation of them coming in. I have a good friend of mine who is a dealer and has told me that they the great vine the street price on these will be $1399-$1499 although he could not order them ....I guess classic firearms exclusivity (at least for now) may have some thruth to it. Anyways, when I saw them at classic for $799 I figured it was an error but hey ....who am I to complain....so when they called me asking for more money I wasnít happy but wasnít too surprised either and given how long Iíve waited for it and what I was expecting them to go for .....I figured the $1299 plus $50 off they offered me wasnt too bad. Iím gonna get one eventually....might as well get it now and save $50. Who knows how many will be coming in. Who pays $1250 for a range toy? I guess the same people that spend $1700 on a desert eagle, $1200 on a custom 10/22 and 8k on a semiauto m249 (I donít have any of those btw). Iím just saying.....everyoneís got their soft spots....donít judge ;-)

Anyways, after the first 20 sold Putin minutes , my coworker called classic asking when they would be getting more.....they told him they will be more of a nieche item and wonít be a ďregularly stocked /mass produced itemĒ like the pps-43.......i donít know if itís true or just sales tactics....itís just what they told him.....take it for what itís worth

Anyways......I bought it and comes in tomorrow.....Iíll take come unboxing and detail pics in the evening or thurs and post them.
Lets get some pics on the semi conversion stuff please. I've got two kits, holster,sling,pile of mags, and i do know how to weld.
Got some ideas on conversion but like to see what they did
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Lets get some pics on the semi conversion stuff please. I've got two kits, holster,sling,pile of mags, and i do know how to weld.
Got some ideas on conversion but like to see what they did
Sure! Iíll get you some closeups of internals.
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I don't get the appeal. We are in a golden buyers market of guns and to spend that much on a old welded pile of shit that's also been fucked to fire semi is beyond me. Sure it's rare but it's also a mangled compliance piece and it's historical value is nill because of that compliance.
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That'd be great, thanks
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I don't get the appeal. We are in a golden buyers market of guns and to spend that much on a old welded pile of shit that's also been fucked to fire semi is beyond me. Sure it's rare but it's also a mangled compliance piece and it's historical value is nill because of that compliance.
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to spend that much on a old welded pile of shit that's also been fucked to fire semi is beyond me.
These pistols do not use welded receivers.
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I don't get the appeal. We are in a golden buyers market of guns and to spend that much on a old welded pile of shit that's also been fucked to fire semi is beyond me. Sure it's rare but it's also a mangled compliance piece and it's historical value is nill because of that compliance.
It's still 1,000,000 times more interesting than another Glock...
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It's still 1,000,000 times more interesting than another garbage Springfield product...
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I don't know gents I may have to just bite the bullet and get one, even if it means being knowingly shafted by classic.
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Picked mine up today from ffl....got it as soon as fedex delivered it....got to the ffl and the owner , his son and two customers were just drewling all over it....I gotta say .....this gun is much nicer in person than the pictures make it out to be.....it’s such a unique design. Build quality seems good from me just fondling it. Having never seen one in real life...I was really surprised at how small it really is. On pics it looks like a huge brick but it’s actually fairly small and should not be a problem to shoot one handed....although Sbr would be the way to go....will have to get creative with the 922r parts though...Mine was built of a ‘69 kit. Gotta open a google pic account so I can post some decent quality pics...I’ll try to get to it tomorrow.
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I don't know gents I may have to just bite the bullet and get one, even if it means being knowingly shafted by classic.

I say do it!!!! There’s a lot of people waiting thinking the price will drop significantly......they may be right but then again there’s the chance they don’t have a lot of wiggle room to slash prices more and if they don’t sell enough they may pull the plug on further imports.....so you can sit and wait for pioneer/classic to cut prices by 40%....or get one now while they’re available ....I bought one so you know where I stand

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Quite small isn't it. What I was saying to other poster about why harder(more expensive) to convert to semi only.
Its more a machine pistol than and subgun.
Isn't a "tube gun", built like a traditional semi handgun.
922r..Lol, don't even bother.
Awesome machining on that slide huh? The polish take pride in their stuff.
Need pick up a holster, apex probably still has some.
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I couldn't justify getting one at $1,300.....nope.

I got 2.

Video going up Saturday or sunday. One will be a keeper as-is and the other will be taken apart and copied so we can finish up 4 kits we have here. Figure to just cop y what PAC has done for the semi conversion.
First, we know its ATF approved, and second we 'hope' it is a working system lol.
We'll see after some range time Friday.

The ATF approved these a long time ago. So that wasn't the hold up. It was getting them over here and distributed tat took so long.
Classic Firearms has the exclusive on these, for now at least.

Centerfire has not had a single one in stock. They were going to get them but PAC-USA pretty much blackballed them and switched over to Classic Firearms after the whole PAC AKM Sporter thing.
After I reported to them and showed CFS Rob's video, they had some serious questions for PAC. So instead of actually addressing them and improving that AKM, PAC just jumped ship. Classy (pun intended) eh?

I don't think CFS will be getting any. Also i can tell you that I've been pretty tight with them for a decade+ and they are good people. I know what distributer cost was going to be n the PM-63c last year...so its pretty safe to assume it hasn't changed much this year.
CFS was going to pay over $1k per pistol easily...so dealer price something like $1.2k and retail $1.4k.

So i don't think we'll see Classic selling them for $600 anytime soon.

Keep in mind that circle11 ?Radom didn't build a million of these. The original PM-63 was a special purpose weapon, so was produced in relatively small numbers.
On top of that, many were already cut up and sold off as parts kits, so who knows how many parts PAC has over there? I am sure more than enough to make several thousands, but probably nothing like those PPS-43c pistols.
And that's why I am willing to have one of these. Still most of the parts are original cirlce11, including the slide and barrel.
The frame is PAC and yeah probably cast or something, but lets be honest, these are firing 9x18 Makarov. Not exactly the hottest round in town. So hopefully even PAC's questionable metalergy can stand up to that for awhile.
And if not, i'll use one of the frames from one of my kits and replace.

I've been told these will only be imported in limited numbers as they understand there just aren't that many guys wanting a 9x18, Polish, semi-auto converted MG pistol, and that costs North of $1k.
But hey, at least mags are available cheap for these, so that helps somewhat.

I have 2 of the PPS43cs, and both have worked well for me. So we'll see how these PM-63cs do soon.
Agreeing to, converting something like the PPS to semi-auto is relatively easy and straight forward. The PM-63 though? yeah i bet it wasn't a cakewalk to get something worked out that would both satisfy the ATF and still work reliably.

I don't really mind the welded stock either since it was next to useless on the original SMG to begin with.

Just happy after so many years that these are finally available. Really completes my Polish collection as well as my 9x18 collection.
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Thank you for the post misha! Iíll definately be on the lookout for your video and opinion on these.

I saw a video on YouTube from a couple of years ago where they were at some reporter shooting event trying out the pps 43 and AK from pioneer and the pioneer reps stated they only had <2k pm63 kits available at Radom. Iíll try to find it and post it.
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I got my popcorn patiently waiting for all the videos and complaints of jamming. We bash AKs made by this company but don't worry I'm sure they slammed this one out of the park
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