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Old 01-02-2019, 10:41 PM   #1
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So recently I had to scratch my Bulgy 74 kit itch and bid/won K-Var parts kit auction on GB.

By the time I got the package, it was missing all the parts but the stock came to me.

I called and explained to K-Var and they said they would look into it.

Never heard back so I called back a week later to give them a benefit of doubt.

The explanation is they are still searching for the answer.

Next day I got a call saying they "found" the parts kit under the conveyor in their warehouse and able to ship it to me.

so a few days later, UPS came and I opened it.

It was different parts kit!
More rust, different their inventory/ID number on the package.
Not matching what they have listed pictures on GB.

Am I dealing with a company that isn't honorable?
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:46 PM   #2
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Lmfao! Sorry OP! That is some mother fucking bullshit!
"I don't know where it is!"

"I dont know!"

"Dont know!"

"Send him this bullshit kit instead!"
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:53 PM   #3
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Damn those kvar warehouse stories must be true after all . When is Old Ned the janitor going to come across that pallet of 107FRs that they got in last year ?


Just call them up and explain you didn’t get what you ordered twice . Have them issue you a return label too . It more than likely won’t be a issue . If somehow magically it is then you can have GB step in .

Call Kvar tomorrow.

When dealing with businesses it’s always good to write down the name of the person your in contact with . That way you can speak to them every time and they have more merit in the issue than talking to a different person every time .
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Lmfao! Sorry OP! That is some mother fucking bullshit!
"I don't know where it is!"

"I dont know!"

"Dont know!"

"Send him this bullshit kit instead!"
pretty much!
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Damn those kvar warehouse stories must be true after all . When is Old Ned the janitor going to come across that pallet of 107FRs that they got in last year ?


Just call them up and explain you didnít get what you ordered twice . Have them issue you a return label too . It more than likely wonít be a issue . If somehow magically it is then you can have GB step in .

Call Kvar tomorrow.

When dealing with businesses itís always good to write down the name of the person your in contact with . That way you can speak to them every time and they have more merit in the issue than talking to a different person every time .
yes, I think I should call them tomorrow. Matter fact I will send the email to the person who I spoke to twice now. I have a bad feeling!
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All I know is I asked them what size drill bit I needed to drill the virgin FSB/GB that I paid them about $125 for, and their answer was “take it to a ‘qualified’ gunsmith”. What a dickhead.
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All I know is I asked them what size drill bit I needed to drill the virgin FSB/GB that I paid them about $125 for, and their answer was “take it to a ‘qualified’ gunsmith”. What a dickhead.
A dickhead may be involved, but I don't think it's who you think . . .


You buy a car from a dealership & call the sales guy up later asking a mechanical question about the car, and he's gonna tell you the same thing: "take it to a mechanic".
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So recently I had to scratch my Bulgy 74 kit itch and bid/won K-Var parts kit auction on GB.

By the time I got the package, it was missing all the parts but the stock came to me.

I called and explained to K-Var and they said they would look into it.

Never heard back so I called back a week later to give them a benefit of doubt.

The explanation is they are still searching for the answer.

Next day I got a call saying they "found" the parts kit under the conveyor in their warehouse and able to ship it to me.

so a few days later, UPS came and I opened it.

It was different parts kit!
More rust, different their inventory/ID number on the package.
Not matching what they have listed pictures on GB.

Am I dealing with a company that isn't honorable?
I’m sorry to hear what happen. PM KrinkCliff here. He’s the manager at K-VAR. He took over Robert Keller’s position.

Hope things work out and you get the correct parts kit as advertised. Keep us posted!
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Old 01-02-2019, 11:19 PM   #9
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I stopped buying their products after they screwed me on the barrels ordeal couple of years ago. I had to return unusable 0 journal barrels and the krink barrels that didn't look factory cut. They charged me restocking fee and i lost hundreds of dollars. I will never buy their products again regardless if it was through them or through their dealers.
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A dickhead may be involved, but I don't think it's who you think . . .


You buy a car from a dealership & call the sales guy up later asking a mechanical question about the car, and he's gonna tell you the same thing: "take it to a mechanic".
Except your analogy is wrong. Car dealers donít necessarily sell parts, part shops do. And part shops provide more than basic support in most cases. In this analogy KVar is selling parts, so they are the parts shop, and should expect to answer some basic questions, oróin the case of the OPóat least know what parts they are dealing with.
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Kvar sent my parts to my dealer once. Not sure why that happened? It while to track down my parts.
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yes, I think I should call them tomorrow. Matter fact I will send the email to the person who I spoke to twice now. I have a bad feeling!
Donít have a bad feeling man . Itís Kvar not Dishonest Dan that you won the auction off of .
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Except your analogy is wrong. Car dealers don’t necessarily sell parts, part shops do. And part shops provide more than basic support in most cases. In this analogy KVar is selling parts, so they are the parts shop, and should expect to answer some basic questions, or—in the case of the OP—at least know what parts they are dealing with.
I agree with Nalioth.
Virtually every new car dealership sells parts.
Sales is very remote from the parts department as well as the customer service department.
Those folks are not AK build technicians.

Technical questions are best researched on the www on sites like this one.
Resource members like Robert Forbus and others are reliable and knowlegeable.
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Old 01-03-2019, 09:24 AM   #14
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Iím sorry to hear what happen. PM KrinkCliff here. Heís the manager at K-VAR. He took over Robert Kellerís position.

Hope things work out and you get the correct parts kit as advertised. Keep us posted!
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Not sure how GB works, but if you win a bid/auction and don't receive what you where promised, isn't that were you should bring up the issue first ?
Either ship the right item within a very fast time frame, issue a full refund or GB steps in on your behalf right ? Something like that ?
By going outside those channels for whatever reason, it seems that maybe you left yourself open to getting bent didn't you ?

But again, this is just the opinion of somebody who doesn't use GB at all. Maybe I'm wrong on how that site works. Best of luck with all that though OP.
Hope Kvar decides to care. Something tells me they would probably care a little more if it interfered with their GB rating though, as much as they sell on there.
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A dickhead may be involved, but I don't think it's who you think . . .


You buy a car from a dealership & call the sales guy up later asking a mechanical question about the car, and he's gonna tell you the same thing: "take it to a mechanic".

Lol, NAILED it!
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Except your analogy is wrong. Car dealers donít necessarily sell parts, part shops do. And part shops provide more than basic support in most cases. In this analogy KVar is selling parts, so they are the parts shop, and should expect to answer some basic questions, oróin the case of the OPóat least know what parts they are dealing with.
If I go to autozone and buy a part...


I already know how to install it
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Not sure how GB works, but if you win a bid/auction and don't receive what you where promised, isn't that were you should bring up the issue first ?
Either ship the right item within a very fast time frame, issue a full refund or GB steps in on your behalf right ? Something like that ?
By going outside those channels for whatever reason, it seems that maybe you left yourself open to getting bent didn't you ?

But again, this is just the opinion of somebody who doesn't use GB at all. Maybe I'm wrong on how that site works. Best of luck with all that though OP.
Hope Kvar decides to care. Something tells me they would probably care a little more if it interfered with their GB rating though, as much as they sell on there.
I get it but wasn't sure if this is one time thing or some kind of trend of them
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I wonder what else they found under the conveyor?
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Robert Keller? lol
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OK ok, couldn't resist.

When i heard the kit you bought was under that machine, first thing that poppped into my mind was "condition?"

Its possible you wouldn't want the kit you actually bought. It might be in pretty rough shape now.
Just a thought.

Its still their job to 'make it right' but doesn't sound like any active dishonesty was going on. Just a very busy warehouse setting around the holidays. Between Thanks Giving and New Years, shipping areas are usually utter insanity.
Every Christmas, I myself usually fuck up at least one order. When you are dealing with so many orders, so many people, and so many packages all within a short time period, errors are bound to happen.
And i hate to tell you this, but every single human on this planet fucks up...probably more often than they would want to cop to lol.

Over December, my wife had 4 Amazon packages go missing, and I had 2 guns disappear (luckily found eventually).

As to asking what size bit to use? Come-on, get real.
A. that sales person definitely doesn't know
and
B. virtually no gun store will give gunsmithing advice like that because of legal liability.

'Take it to a gunsmith' is the canned answer because gunsmiths are trained and have insurance for just those situations.
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Speaking of things in Las Vegas, has anyone dealt with Arsenal Inc's warranty department? How long does it take to get a return authorization after you email them pictures of your jacked up rifle?
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Sure, I've been through many, many salesreps over there....including Robert. I always did think his 'leaving' was sudden and suspicious lol j/k
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Speaking of things in Las Vegas, has anyone dealt with Arsenal Inc's warranty department? How long does it take to get a return authorization after you email them pictures of your jacked up rifle?

I have dealt with them. Spoke with a girl named Jennifer at Arsenal. Dont get your hopes up. Took them about a week and a half to get me an RMA. This is after they forgot about me twice, then told me that my pistol was not under warranty (when it really was). They said the rear sight base was suppose to be loose. They informed me that I had to buy an Arsenal sight tool to adjust Arsenal rifle sights and my trigger just needed breaking in.

Then I discovered that it is Arsenals policy to not pay for shipping. According to Arsenal, it is your responsibility to pay to ship their junk back to them regardless if they are responsible for the junk or not. I found this policy to be BS. It was going to be $145 to overnight an 10lb sam7k to Vegas. $1300 for a SAM7K that has a rear site that is not only crooked, but on so loose that it cannot be zeroed (rivets werent flattened enough against the top cover), a nonfunctioning trigger, and a front sight post that is so frozen that it breaks 2 sight tools and damages a third.

I have bought FIVE AK rifles since then....none of them are Arsenal. I have heard that KVAR is the same people, so I am not sure if they will blow the same smoke. I wish you luck OP.
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KVAR reached out and said will take back what they sent and send me a better one.
I am not sure if they are sending what I bid on or something similar. Still not clear about it.
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Bought a NIB SLR-106U that would not feed JHPs.
Called Arsenal for warranty service.
Was told they would fix it and got RMA.
Did have to pay for shipping to them.
But about two weeks later got a spanking new replacement gun that runs perfectly.

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If I go to autozone and buy a part...


I already know how to install it
This. I worked at OíReilly (it was Schucks when I did), and the employees are not trained in installing shit. Most know about cars only if it is their hobby.
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I have dealt with them. Spoke with a girl named Jennifer at Arsenal. Dont get your hopes up. Took them about a week and a half to get me an RMA. This is after they forgot about me twice, then told me that my pistol was not under warranty (when it really was). They said the rear sight base was suppose to be loose. They informed me that I had to buy an Arsenal sight tool to adjust Arsenal rifle sights and my trigger just needed breaking in.

Then I discovered that it is Arsenals policy to not pay for shipping. According to Arsenal, it is your responsibility to pay to ship their junk back to them regardless if they are responsible for the junk or not. I found this policy to be BS. It was going to be $145 to overnight an 10lb sam7k to Vegas. $1300 for a SAM7K that has a rear site that is not only crooked, but on so loose that it cannot be zeroed (rivets werent flattened enough against the top cover), a nonfunctioning trigger, and a front sight post that is so frozen that it breaks 2 sight tools and damages a third.

I have bought FIVE AK rifles since then....none of them are Arsenal. I have heard that KVAR is the same people, so I am not sure if they will blow the same smoke. I wish you luck OP.
Well sir, you warned me. I'm dealing with the same shit now. Left two voicemails, talked to some dude, sent emails...no response.
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Well sir, you warned me. I'm dealing with the same shit now. Left two voicemails, talked to some dude, sent emails...no response.
Which Arsenal rifle are you having problems with? Are currently in contact with Arsenal or K-VAR?
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so finally got the newer and somewhat similar to the item described as on the auction came back to me after I sent back the parts kit different than advertised.

KVAR asked my t shirts size and said would throw in some cool patches to make it right.

Did not see those and perhaps forgotten again.

Just can't understand what the issue is with them.
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ridiculous. If they had good customer service, they would offer to reimburse the return shipping if it is found to be their fault (up to $35 for a rifle)
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so finally got the newer and somewhat similar to the item described as on the auction came back to me after I sent back the parts kit different than advertised.

KVAR asked my t shirts size and said would throw in some cool patches to make it right.

Did not see those and perhaps forgotten again.

Just can't understand what the issue is with them.

Well it’s moving in a postive direction . Why don’t you PM KrinkCliff and have him follow up .
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Well itís moving in a postive direction . Why donít you PM KrinkCliff and have him follow up .
Although I understand where you are coming from, why is it customers obligation to follow up with the vendor every step they mess up?

they have made errors from

- Not sending what was ordered
- Had to call them and reminded it was not shipped with rest of the orders
- Did not get a call back from them as promised so I had to call back a week later.
- They said it was their fault and missed from their conveyor in the warehouse
- They asked they would send the T-shirts and patches to make it right
- I sent back the initial parts kit back to them
- Now I received the parts kit minus "making it right" swags.

So I need to call back again to remind them they are doing this wrong every step?

T-shirts and patches aren't important to me as much as they show effort to make at least one thing right. Total disaster in my opinion.
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Although I understand where you are coming from, why is it customers obligation to follow up with the vendor every step they mess up?

they have made errors from

- Not sending what was ordered
- Had to call them and reminded it was not shipped with rest of the orders
- Did not get a call back from them as promised so I had to call back a week later.
- They said it was their fault and missed from their conveyor in the warehouse
- They asked they would send the T-shirts and patches to make it right
- I sent back the initial parts kit back to them
- Now I received the parts kit minus "making it right" swags.

So I need to call back again to remind them they are doing this wrong every step?

T-shirts and patches aren't important to me as much as they show effort to make at least one thing right. Total disaster in my opinion.

I get you . Kvar is slipping hard in your situation. One the guns i bought from them was incorrectly shipped to the FFLs mailing address and not the premise address . It was in la la land for about 5 hours but once I contacted Nathan at kvar he called ups and had it fixed in 30 min .

Other then never filling any back orders Iíve had their ďOkĒ
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