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Old 01-10-2019, 12:11 PM   #1
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I'm looking for a good set of boots - both for comfort and practical use - that would be best suited for door kicking and mid-range rucks. Merrells strike me as the general go-to, but I'd like to hear some wisdom from the peanut gallery. Thanks!
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Belleville 550ST all day every day. These have been the best footwear I've ever bought in my 30yrs of life. Light, tough, comfy, and for me having a 16 4EEEE foot they fit without breaking the bank. Been buying from this site https://tacticalgear.com/belleville-550-st-olive-mojave for 7 years now
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:12 PM   #3
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https://www.courteneyboot.com/

Own 3 pair,

Best field boot made.

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Belleville's all the way, been wearing 'em for about 7-8 years now, first pair I bought is still good, great boots, last forever, very comfortable. Not very good for very wet conditions unless you waterproof 'em though.
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I third Bellevilles. My first pair lasted over ten years of both work and hard field use. Currently have two more that are going strong. Plenty comfortable IMO, too.
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https://www.courteneyboot.com/

Own 3 pair,

Best field boot made.

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The Meindl Perfekt hikers from Cabelas are bad ass. Lasted 4 years walking all day at work and never leaked when standing in water. Nice and stiff for kicking the shit out of stuff too. I've had 3 different styles of Meindl's and they have always impressed me after some break in.
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For an all around, long lasting and servicable boot, I would suggest something with a 100% leather upper. No waterproof/goretex/thinsulate/etc linings (I do own some boots with linings, but I wouldn't choose one for a total "all around" boot.) 100% leather can be more easily cleaned/preserved in the long-term, and yes, you will need to service it if you want it to last long term. Couple this with a wool sock of varying thickness based on outside temperature.

100% waterproof often leads to a lack of breathability which can cause more problems than the waterproof lining is worth (no water gets in, but you can end up sweating inside of the boot and the sweat eventually has nowhere to go once you stay in them long enough to really saturate the lining.) Your home has an HVAC system to heat/cool/ventilate. Homes have to breathe to some degree... so do feet/footwear.

Wool Sock + Leather Boot makes a very effective combination of moisture/odor wicking while still retaining insulative properties when wet that can be used in 10 degree or 100 degree temperatures (I know this because I wear this combo at work all year outside and inside in temperatures ranging from 10 degrees to 100 degrees. I also use this combo when backpacking/camping in all 4 seasons, again with temperatures ranging from roughly 10 to 100.)

I would also suggest a stitched on sole that can be re-soled (Goodyear welt, Norwegian Welt.)

Vibram is probably the industry standard sole manufacturer but there are others out there.

Some brands of boots that make models in this style would be:

Red Wing Heritage Series
Gokey
Russell Moccasin
Alico
Hanwag
Meindl
Zamberlain
Filson
White's
Nick's

...and that brand that panzertruppe mentioned... Courteney. I've never heard of them but definitely, they look great. They have the features I prefer in a boot.

Me personally? I own the following boots for different purposes:
Red Wing Iron Ranger
Gokey Sauvage Hiker
Gokey Classic Upland Boots
Alico Summit Light
Hanwag Horndl

If I had to choose one pair for all around... well, they could all hold up as an all around, honestly, it's just that some would be more comfortable in certain situations than others.

As far as comfort goes, make sure the boot really fits well and find yourself a good insole that fits your feet. Most of the insoles that come with your new boots will be fairly cheap. Best to replace them with something that fits you better.

Look at www.sierratradingpost.com

They often have good deals on boots. Just remember, if you order them and they don't fit well, return/exchange them. Not worth trying to "make a boot work" rather than simply having one that fits right.

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Salomon 4Ds amazing boot.....

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I like the Danner Fort Lewis line.
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Not sure where you live but here in Colorado there is no “one” boot.

I just spent the last few months on various Elk and Deer archery hunts and walked a shit ton of miles and climbed thousands of feet.

During my early Sept Elk hunt it was unseasonably warm and I got away with some comfy canvas short top boots made by Palladium, basically copies of the old French Foreign Legion amd Rhodesia boots. I walked a ton of miles in these boots and climbed a couple thousand feet in elevation each day with them and with the heat my feet stayed relatively cool as well as the boots are pretty light weight.

Later in Nov-Dec I was hunting Whitetails in Southeast Colorado and wore the same boots because once again it was warm and the boots are lightweight. What I didn’t realize was the amount of cactii I was going to encounter in this area, I counted 6 different varieties ranging from small prickly pear stuff that you didn’t see until you were stepping on it to 3 foot tall chollas . Because the boots were low top and made of canvas my feet and ankles were full of cactii thorns. What I needed was a taller leather based boot to protect from the thorns but a taller leather based boot would have sucked ass in my early season Elk hunt.

If you are serious about boots I think you need to really look in to where and when you will be using them and then buy a boot that will be best for each situation.

My lightweight hikers, Palladium Pampa Hi, they are canvas so they wont last forever but they are comfortable and lightweight.

https://palladiumboots.com/collectio...ts/75349-213-m

As for some serious hikers look in to some of the hunting brands as well such as Crispi Boots, Kenetreks, or some Schnee’s. You might find some of these brands to be more comfy over long distances than many of the “tactical” boots on the market.

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I'm looking for a good set of boots - both for comfort and practical use - that would be best suited for door kicking and mid-range rucks. Merrells strike me as the general go-to, but I'd like to hear some wisdom from the peanut gallery. Thanks!
Got some bates with the zip up side that are fucking amazing. Literally the most comfortable boots I've ever worn. Beats the piss out of any military boot I used comfort wise. The lighter the better I say.

https://www.batesfootwear.com/US/en/...AE/20134M.html

Haven't humped in them, but I don't think it would be any worse than heavier ones. Perhaps if you have weak ankles the zip up might not provide enough stabilization. The rubber soles on them held up extremely well walking across metal and other debris that wrecks shit.
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Got some bates with the zip up side that are fucking amazing. Literally the most comfortable boots I've ever worn. Beats the piss out of any military boot I used comfort wise. The lighter the better I say.

https://www.batesfootwear.com/US/en/...AE/20134M.html

Haven't humped in them, but I don't think it would be any worse than heavier ones. Perhaps if you have weak ankles the zip up might not provide enough stabilization. The rubber soles on them held up extremely well walking across metal and other debris that wrecks shit.
Have some bates, just not the zip-ups.

Will take a look... Thanks
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Boot for what climate? wet, dry, cold, hot? Makes a big difference.

https://www.bellevilleboot.com/

Belleville makes really good boots. NOT made in China, but in the good old USA.
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Boot for what climate? wet, dry, cold, hot? Makes a big difference.

https://www.bellevilleboot.com/

Belleville makes really good boots. NOT made in China, but in the good old USA.
I have the Belleville maintainers that have been good. Although did have to warranty the first pair as they blew out the rear stiched seam after 10 months. The pair I recieved have been going good for 15 months, but had to use some shoe goo on the vibrem sole coming loose on the toe end.
These boots are used every day for work.
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Any of the mid or high tops. The fewer seams the better... I've owned 3 pair for 15 years and used one pair regularly for 13 of 15. Just got them resoled...

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Any of the mid or high tops. The fewer seams the better... I've owned 3 pair for 15 years and used one pair regularly for 13 of 15. Just got them resoled...

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Boot for what climate? wet, dry, cold, hot? Makes a big difference.

https://www.bellevilleboot.com/

Belleville makes really good boots. NOT made in China, but in the good old USA.
Good point. It's wet and hot about 10 months out of the year here. I'm fully expecting to abuse these suckers and expect a need to reinvest in about 4 years. Would you value cost over durability at that point? Do you think waterproof is necessary? I don't plan on submerging the boots, but it is likely for them to become soaked a handful of times for an hour or two.
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Good point. It's wet and hot about 10 months out of the year here. I'm fully expecting to abuse these suckers and expect a need to reinvest in about 4 years. Would you value cost over durability at that point? Do you think waterproof is necessary? I don't plan on submerging the boots, but it is likely for them to become soaked a handful of times for an hour or two.
Yes, waterproof them, but you don't have to go pyscho with it, any of the spray-ons work fine, I mink-oil mine, it turns the leather a little darker color but works great and you don't have to re-apply very often, I have used both methods and either one works good, both in muddy-rainy season in Texas, and wet/cold in Idaho, my boots are well-tested now trust me, lol.
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I like my Danner Fort Lewis boots.
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Yes, waterproof them, but you don't have to go pyscho with it, any of the spray-ons work fine, I mink-oil mine, it turns the leather a little darker color but works great and you don't have to re-apply very often, I have used both methods and either one works good, both in muddy-rainy season in Texas, and wet/cold in Idaho, my boots are well-tested now trust me, lol.
How often do you re-apply?
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I've heard about the Bellevilles for a while now but have never tried them. How are they on concrete floors? Up to now I've worn Keen which I like but the soles don't last on the model I like.
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I've heard about the Bellevilles for a while now but have never tried them. How are they on concrete floors? Up to now I've worn Keen which I like but the soles don't last on the model I like.
It will depend on what type of sole is on a paticular boot. The Bellevilles I have are vibram soles, soft and have some give to them, which I like. If memory serves, they don't last very well on concret.
Have had 2 pairs of the Keens and hated them. Felt I was wearing clogs.
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I hobnail plastic/metal/rubber caps or cleats onto my boot soles if I see them wearing unevenly. You can order different kinds on ebay
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About once every 3 years if you go the mink-oil route, once a year for the spray-on stuff.
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It will depend on what type of sole is on a paticular boot. The Bellevilles I have are vibram soles, soft and have some give to them, which I like. If memory serves, they don't last very well on concret.
Have had 2 pairs of the Keens and hated them. Felt I was wearing clogs.
Some of the Keens do feel kinda clunky. I wear the Pittsburgs which are less so & I really like the wider toe box Keens are known for. The soles just happen to suck as far as longevity. Most boots aren't shaped like the human foot, they're too damn narrow in the forefoot & often too wide in the heel.
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Oakley Assault boots, or Belleville Xero, Nike, Rocky C7, they're all pretty good but your foot shape will determine which one is ideal. There are enough choices now a days that there's no reason to wear crappy issued combat boots unless you're into that sort of thing.
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I'm seeing on reviews comments about Danners not holding up to day-to-day usage as a full time work boot. Anyone care to comment on that?
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I'm seeing on reviews comments about Danners not holding up to day-to-day usage as a full time work boot. Anyone care to comment on that?
I've had some chinese made Danners Vandels that fit anf felt great, but alas would wear out in less than a year. Don't make them anymore.
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Merrell MOAB.
My oldest one is 12 , and still no problems.
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Merrell MOAB.
My oldest one is 12 , and still no problems.
My Gortex MOAB's just lost their waterproof capabilities after 6 years of moderate to hard use. I really don't know how these things are still going.

I am a bit worried about buying another pair because I've heard rumors of Merrell quality slipping recently.
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I will admit,

The Courteney boots are ideal for Texas. Not said, but not tropical by any means...

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