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Old 02-12-2017, 09:49 PM   #736
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Well, that doesn't give me any hope. I didn't receive a control number for either of my two submissions. It was e-file with my trust attached. They sure had no problem though charging my debit card for the two $200.00 fees. I've called any spoken to two different people at the BATF who said that me not getting issued a number is no big deal. However, i don't trust em a bit as I know they are less than totally competent....

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Just login to your ATF.efiles account and check submitted forms. When approved they move from submitted to approved and you get an email with a PDF of your papers with the tax stamp.
This. I've never received one of these 'control numbers' nor any notification that any application moved into a 'pending' state.
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Old 02-15-2017, 02:05 AM   #737
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:13 AM   #738
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:20 AM   #739
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OK. Got the forms, The questions begin.
Filing Form 1
Atlantic Firearms M92 Krink. It's a Zastava PAP M92PV Pistol with a folding Stock and a pinned/welded faux suppressor/barrel extension. Get the stamp, remove faux suppressor, finished.
It is electropenciled 'Atlantic Arms Mfg. Duluth Mn.' underneath between the grip and folding stock.

Is 4a) Name and address of the original manufacturer and/or Importer, Zastava, Serbia? Or Century Arms International, Georgia, VT.?

Is 4h) "Additional description/makers Name, City and State which will appear on firearm" Atlantic Mfg. Duluth MN.?
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Old 02-15-2017, 03:37 PM   #740
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Since NO ONE has not answered my questions on POST 734 regarding the new 41F. I will help you out on yours.

If you are filing the Form 1, you will be the manufacture.


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OK. Got the forms, The questions begin.
Filing Form 1
Atlantic Firearms M92 Krink. It's a Zastava PAP M92PV Pistol with a folding Stock and a pinned/welded faux suppressor/barrel extension. Get the stamp, remove faux suppressor, finished.

It is electropenciled 'Atlantic Arms Mfg. Duluth Mn.' underneath between the grip and folding stock.

Is 4a) Name and address of the original manufacturer and/or Importer, Zastava, Serbia? Or Century Arms International, Georgia, VT.?ANSWER: Zastava, Serbia

Is 4h) "Additional description/makers Name, City and State which will appear on firearm" Atlantic Mfg. Duluth MN.?LEAVE BLANK


For my M92, this is what I wrote on my eForm 1. It got APPROVED:

1. a. Tax Paid
2. Corporation or Other Business Entity
3. a. TRUST NAME (will fill in automatically after you fill in b.
b. TRUST NAME and your ADDRESS
c. I Left Blank
d. Your County
e. Your Phone Number

4. a. Zastava, Serbia
b. Short Barrel Rifle
c. 7.62
d. PAPM92PV
e. 10"
f. 28"
g. M92PVXXXXXX
h. I left BLANK
i. FOR ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES
j. I left BLANK

5. I left BLANK
6. I left BLANK

7. Digitally Signed

8. Your Name will automatically appear
9. Date Digitally Signed
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Old 02-15-2017, 04:25 PM   #741
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Since NO ONE has not answered my questions on POST 734 regarding the new 41F. I will help you out on yours.

If you are filing the Form 1, you will be the manufacture.






For my M92, this is what I wrote on my eForm 1. It got APPROVED:

1. a. Tax Paid
2. Corporation or Other Business Entity
3. a. TRUST NAME (will fill in automatically after you fill in b.
b. TRUST NAME and your ADDRESS
c. I Left Blank
d. Your County
e. Your Phone Number

4. a. Zastava, Serbia
b. Short Barrel Rifle
c. 7.62
d. PAPM92PV
e. 10"
f. 28"
g. M92PVXXXXXX
h. I left BLANK
i. FOR ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES
j. I left BLANK

5. I left BLANK
6. I left BLANK

7. Digitally Signed

8. Your Name will automatically appear
9. Date Digitally Signed
Thank you for your help.
I saw your M92 tutorial. Beautiful Rifle.
I'm reasonably intelligent but damn.
I'm a long way out, and filling as an individual but, will I need to engrave my name and city/ state?
Hope you get help with your questions.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:31 PM   #742
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Thank you for your help.
I saw your M92 tutorial. Beautiful Rifle.
I'm reasonably intelligent but damn.
I'm a long way out, and filling as an individual but, will I need to engrave my name and city/ state? Hope you get help with your questions.
Yes, you will have to do that.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:49 AM   #743
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Since NO ONE has not answered my questions on POST 734 regarding the new 41F. I will help you out on yours...
It's probably because you're leading the way here. I've not submitted a Form 1 or Form 4 since 41F went into effect.
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It's probably because you're leading the way here. I've not submitted a Form 1 or Form 4 since 41F went into effect.
I guess I might have to be the one. I'll report back once I send off the Form 1.
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Old 02-17-2017, 01:37 AM   #745
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I received an approved form 1 for one of my G36C's today. 239 day approval time.
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Old 02-18-2017, 10:30 AM   #746
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Filed From 1 by eFile on June 20th 2016
Approved on February 16th 2017

In total - 242 days or 7 months and 28 days.
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Old 02-20-2017, 05:03 PM   #747
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Form 1 trust Efiled on June 30th......Still waiting,What a JOKE!
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Old 02-25-2017, 07:41 PM   #748
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it looks like the efile for form 1 is/has been down.

anyone know if this is permanent?
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Old 02-27-2017, 04:30 PM   #749
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filed two on 6/27, still waiting...
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Old 02-27-2017, 07:12 PM   #750
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filed two on 6/27, still waiting...
I'm in the same boat. Waiting on my scorpion to clear that was efiled on 2/27/26
Edit: correct dateis 6/27/16

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Old 02-28-2017, 02:33 PM   #751
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I'm in the same boat. Waiting on my scorpion to clear that was efiled on 2/27/26
Obviously the 26 is a typo but have You been waiting a Year for your stamp? 2/27/16
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Old 02-28-2017, 04:53 PM   #752
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it looks like the efile for form 1 is/has been down.

anyone know if this is permanent?
It's permanent as You now have to send Fingerprints and their Dinosaur System can't handle that.
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Old 03-01-2017, 04:57 PM   #754
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Obviously the 26 is a typo but have You been waiting a Year for your stamp? 2/27/16
Sorry. It is 6/27/16. Ill fix it in my original post.
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Old 03-02-2017, 01:51 AM   #755
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Quick question fellas.

All my form 1's had previously been filed using my trust.

Now with 41f in affect is there any reason I should file a form 1 using the trust as the applicant? Shouldn't I just apply as an individual applicant now?

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Quick question fellas.

All my form 1's had previously been filed using my trust.

Now with 41f in affect is there any reason I should file a form 1 using the trust as the applicant? Shouldn't I just apply as an individual applicant now?

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A trust allows you to have trustees which can then use/have possession of your NFA items. For example, you can add family members as trustees and they can use your guns/silencers etc without you being there.

If you file as an individual, you would have to be in control of the NFA items at all times.
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8 months waiting now on my Form 1's. I filed using my trust. Still waiting.......
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A trust allows you to have trustees which can then use/have possession of your NFA items. For example, you can add family members as trustees and they can use your guns/silencers etc without you being there.

If you file as an individual, you would have to be in control of the NFA items at all times.
The reason I ask is because I am not going to have my wife (the only other person on my trust) get finger printed, photographed, and submit forms. What a bunch of total bullshit!

According to the firm that did my trust (Prince Law who specialize) I have a few options:

1. File as an individual
2. Amend trust so my wife is only a beneficiary
3. Remove her from the trust. Submit form 1's. Then add her back on once my form 1's are approved.

BTW, according to both of the law firms that specialize in 'NFA gun' trusts control and possession are key words. You can have beneficiaries (who have not been finger printed, etc) shoot and use your NFA items as long as you are present. Possession on the other would be if they had your trusts NFA items without you being present.
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The reason I ask is because I am not going to have my wife (the only other person on my trust) get finger printed, photographed, and submit forms. What a bunch of total bullshit!

According to the firm that did my trust (Prince Law who specialize) I have a few options:

1. File as an individual
2. Amend trust so my wife is only a beneficiary
3. Remove her from the trust. Submit form 1's. Then add her back on once my form 1's are approved.

BTW, according to both of the law firms that specialize in 'NFA gun' trusts control and possession are key words. You can have beneficiaries (who have not been finger printed, etc) shoot and use your NFA items as long as you are present. Possession on the other would be if they had your trusts NFA items without you being present.
Depends on if you want your wife playing with your NFA items without you around. Option 3 is easy enough to do.

Also, as long as you present and keeping an eye on your NFA items (counts as control), anyone (who is not a felon...) can use your NFA items without them being on the trust. Meaning you can take your friend shooting and he can use your silencer or let the guy shooting in the next lane try out the sbr etc etc.

Another technical scenario: You file as individual, you keep your nfa item locked up in the safe, your wife knows the combo to the safe or you somehow left the safe open. In this case, you would be breaking the law because you are not in control of the nfa item. If she didn't know the combo and its properly secured then you would be safe.
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8 months waiting now on my Form 1's. I filed using my trust. Still waiting.......
Welcome to the Club,Filed 6/30.....Still waiting.When I first filed the wait was 5 Months,Then 6 Months,Then 7 Months,Now 8 Months.....I see where this is headed.
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Depends on if you want your wife playing with your NFA items without you around. Option 3 is easy enough to do.

Also, as long as you present and keeping an eye on your NFA items (counts as control), anyone (who is not a felon...) can use your NFA items without them being on the trust. Meaning you can take your friend shooting and he can use your silencer or let the guy shooting in the next lane try out the sbr etc etc.

Another technical scenario: You file as individual, you keep your nfa item locked up in the safe, your wife knows the combo to the safe or you somehow left the safe open. In this case, you would be breaking the law because you are not in control of the nfa item. If she didn't know the combo and its properly secured then you would be safe.
There is no part of the NFA that requires persons who own NFA firearms to have a safe.
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There is no part of the NFA that requires persons who own NFA firearms to have a safe.
Where did I say you are required to have a safe?

The NFA requires the item to be secured...which can be a safe, lock box, padlock etc. etc.

The safe scenario was just an example of how you can inadvertently get in trouble with control, possession and access of an nfa item.
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Mailed my individual form off today. Will update when I know more.
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My Form 1 Individual went out yesterday too.
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My Form 1 Individual went out yesterday too.
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Thank you. Same to you!

It will be interesting to see just when both of ours get finished. Same date approval? Or weeks apart.
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Where did I say you are required to have a safe?

The NFA requires the item to be secured...which can be a safe, lock box, padlock etc. etc.

The safe scenario was just an example of how you can inadvertently get in trouble with control, possession and access of an nfa item.
I'm sorry, the NFA does not require the firearm to be secured. It can be kept leaning against the wall in the corner of the living room.
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I'm sorry, the NFA does not require the firearm to be secured. It can be kept leaning against the wall in the corner of the living room.
You're missing the point. If you are at home, then the item is arguably under your control. If you leave, and lock your house, then the item is secured (along with the house).

If you leave, and you happen to have a wife, child, friend, who is not authorized in the home, then you are afoul of the law.

Not sure why this is so hard for you.

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Just passed 8 months on my couple of Form 1 submissions. They were sent in prior to the rule changes. Still waiting....
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My check has been cashed.
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Just passed 8 months on my couple of Form 1 submissions. They were sent in prior to the rule changes. Still waiting....
I'm around there too, I have stopped counting the days and just check my email periodically for the approved Form 1 Christmas present.
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