Say I figured out a way to make an AK fire by squeezing the trigger and by releasing it again with only minor mods. Technically it's not FA but would I still need some kind of BATF approval?

as long as each shot requires a seperate action of the trigger(1 shot per pull, 1 shot per release) it is "legal",,,,,this has been discussed here a while ago, I'll see if I can find the thread,,,,,,,just remember, safety and the burden of proof of your innocense is your responsibility

Sooooooooooo what were these mods?

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showt...ht=shot+trigger

4 year old thread,,lot of info

Thank you, it was a pretty good thread till page 2 when the inevitable argument broke out. I'd like to share these mods, but I'm having a hard time coming up with verbal descriptions that don't make me sound crazy. I was a US Army armorer and I'm a machinist as well, I do know it will work. It would be real easy to do with a bullpup version. You would have to weld a cylindrical shaped extension to the rear side of the sear about 4-5mm diameter, cut a piece of sheet metal that would ride under it with a bump protruding up and have a spring that would keep it pulled to the rear until the wire connected to the trigger pulled against it pushing the sear upward releasing the hammer. Upon release of the trigger, the spring pulls the sheet metal piece back with the bump again pushing the extension up and releasing the hammer. Mind you this is how it would work with a bullpup. On a regular AK you would need a separate trigger that didn't pivot and was connected to the piece of sheet metal with the bump on it, this would require a thin slot milled in the bottom or the receiver. The sheet metal piece is rectangular and fits on the floor of the receiver under and around the fcg. It has a rectangular hole cut in it so it doesn't disturb the fgc and slides freely under the sear receiver pin. The bump on the sheet metal piece would be where it would actuate the sear as described above with the pull spring connected from the rear trunnion to the rear of the sheet metal. The wire from the bullpup trigger would be connected to the front of the sheet metal. I'm also working out doing this with a cam attached to the welded extension on the sear instead of the sheet metal. I've actually made the sear and sheet metal piece but didn't want to do anything until I got a green light.

I guess I'm in the wrong forum now!

This would probaly go in gunsmithing but I doubt anyone has a problem with it being here. As for the legality of what your describing, im not 100% sure and as you stated before I woudnt do anything until you know your safe.

ATF has previously ruled that pull and release are separate functions of the trigger, one shot on pull and another on release is legal under federal law and ATF interpretation of same. Many years ago a company sold a "Staple" that fit in the trigger mechanism of a Mini-14 that allowed this type of operation.

You don't need to make all sorts of add ons for an AK to do this, you simply modify the mechanism as discussed in the referenced thread by altering the Hand Off timing.

Do you know anyone who has successfully altered the hand off timing?

As GunPlumber stated in the other thread, post #39, he usually is going the other way and making them quit doing it.

Yeah, grinding down parts doesn't sound like the way to go. It's like those numbnuts who go around saying "just file down the sear and you've got a machine gun." I'll stick with my idea.

well, good news for the guys with bullpups, all 3 of 'em.

Well normally in standard mode the disconnector holds the hammer lower than a forward trigger would. This allows the trigger to catch the hammer when the diaconnector releases it on release of the trigger and it's rotation.

Now if the disconnector caught and held the hammer higher than where the trigger could catch it, then when the trigger is released the disconnector releases the hammer and the trigger fails to catch it because it's alreasy pass the trigger hooks or above them. On the following cycle if the trigger is left forward, not pulled, the trigger could catch the hammer as the bolt carrier presses it down enough for the trigger hooks. You just want the disconnector set holds the hammer where the rigger can't catch it when the disconnector releases the hammer when the trigger is released.

Yeah, you're tellin' me Motorhead, I bought a K-VAR bullpup kit, I think in 04, FCG never worked properly. Thanks for the NO customer service K-VAR. Well, what I'm talking about involves no grinding on the FCG, only the addition of a small piece on the rear side of the sear/trigger behind the disconnector. This would be cammed up and down moving the sear forward, releasing the hammer. You only need a piece of sheetmetal sliding back and forth underneath it with a hump on it. In other words, if you had 3 humps on it the hammer would release 6 times for every trigger pull and release. This is adaptable to a non-bullpup as well, only that your trigger would be separate from the sear. I don't understand why if this is legal why more people aren't trying different methods of doing this. You could practically attach the whole shebang to the front of the buttstock where it slides into the trunnion. And what's the fear about the second shot? (Mentioned in the other post) Why are you waiting to take it? As soon as you let the first fly release the trigger for the second one, that's the whole point of having burst fire. Besides, you should have one firearm dedicated, I'll probably dedicate my RPK and my Ak pistol since if the need arose for burst fire, those 2 would be the most practical. Any way if you guys want to grind down your sears go ahead, I have no desire to screw up my weapons timing. Now that I know it's legal if anyone sees me double firing out at KCR ask to try it out!

dibs on ammo!









beat the rap, beat the ride, blah blah

So is it legal or not. and does it matter how you do it? Say with the double disconectors.

doesn't matter so much how. the issue is one action/one shot. trigger release was ruled a separate action.

My view is - any modification to the trigger mechanism to facilitate make a FA action is proble-matic auto-matically .

Modification to make the rifle operate properly in SEMI AUTO-loading ONLY MODE is "OK" and proper to make a safe SEMI AUTO-auto-loading ONLY firearm.

Shooting techniques - double tapp - triple tappp - bump fire from the sholder or waist is a shooter induced and do not modify the fire arm from it's SEMI AUTO-loading function-nallity. Shoot like my run on sentences BABY!!!

I know I sound like a broken vynal record, but keep it stock or with standard SEMI AUTOloading practices and adjustments. That way a LE or DA can only conclude it is a SEMI AUTO-loading ONLY gun.


Three round brust of KISSY-ies

Make dam sure you can afford legal battle $$$$$$

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Hmmmmmm as long as the shoestring was made before 1986........

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I saw one of the tech letters on shoestring conversion devices. Someone sent one in for determination, it was declared an MG. The guy was given a choice of surrendering it to ATF or they could return it, but would have to un-knot it first. One of the few exceptions to their "once an MG, always an MG" rule!

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I saw one of the tech letters on shoestring conversion devices. Someone sent one in for determination, it was declared an MG. The guy was given a choice of surrendering it to ATF or they could return it, but would have to un-knot it first. One of the few exceptions to their "once an MG, always an MG" rule!

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Did the BATF+E+S return the shoe lace or did the guy have to use his shoes as slippers??

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The Double tap sounds nifty for a "Beater" rifle, but it seems like it'd train you to yank the trigger to get a 2 shot burst, instead of using good form.

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