just finished installing a Finn M39 2 stage trigger in my 91/30..it certainly improved the trigger pull..now it has a real 2 stage feel..like my Enfields.I have another one on the way..I think I'll stick it in my m44

these have been available from folks on Gunboards occasionally...

I was pondering doing some stoning of the part I'm going to call the sear(for lack of correct terminology)..has anyone done any SUCCESSFUL trigger work on their Mosins
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I'm not looking for a 2 lb hunting rifle trigger, but I have the urge to tinker this Winter.Maybe it will pass.....

I know that there is a mod which involves drilling and tapping a allen screw below the bolt at the receiver tang

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Oh no! Getting cabin fever Swabb? Me to buddy! On several of my M-44's I have found that by simply stoning the machine marks off of the trigger spring/sear and then polishing with Emory cloth, the area that the trigger rides on, greatly improves the smoothness of the pull. Dad and I tried shims on our m91's but when you shim all you are doing is lowering the sear to bolt engagement so that it will release with a shorter trigger pull. What I didn't like about the shimming is that it makes for a floppy trigger. The method of drilling and tapping for a set screw is a good method. The set screw presses down on the trigger spring/sear which, like a shim, lowers and decreases the sear to bolt engagement.
The best fix is to spend the money on a Hubber Concepts trigger. This trigger works just like the methods above by lowering the trigger spring/sear. But is accomplished by a threaded trigger that has a small ball bearing that rides on the trigger spring, thus lowering the sear to bolt engagement. The amount of ball bearing that rides on the trigger spring is adjusted by the allen screw which is accessible by removing the bolt. And with the ball bearing you get a super smooth trigger pull, and with the pressure of the ball bearing against the trigger spring it eliminates the floppy trigger syndrome. I put one in my M91 sniper conversion and love it. Try the polishing trick, it doesn't take long and for the work it is a huge improvement. Hope this helps brother!

Oh! And I forgot to mention. I purchased 4 Mosin triggers from Tennessee Gun Parts and attempted to mimic the Hubber Concepts trigger. Sheeeeaaat, I broke several drill bits and a couple taps in the failed attempt. That Russian steel is tempered tough! The triggers that Hubber makes are not made from original triggers, They are machining their own. And also the inside of the stock has to be recessed a little when you install. Ok, I'll shut my trap now!

I did some more searching, and found 2 good threads at surplus rifle..

One involves thinning the sear and shortening that piece that sticks up.It looks like a good article..complete with pix and measurements.I think I'm gonna order a couple extra sears and firing pin springs(to shorten).

when I get one of those sears to work correctly, I'll spray and bake it with the left over teflon Moly paint...couldn't hurt

that way I'll still have a few originals to study...my other Finn 2 stage trigger showed up yesterday, so both of my Mosins will have them along with the M39

Yeah..I'm all about those Huber concept triggers..I'm just cheap

so those russian triggers are harder than woodpecker lips eh?

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LOL Wood pecker lips! Now that's funny! I had it all planed out, went to the hardware store bought some bits and some ball bearings, I was ready to go. Basically I wasted a whole day!
That's a good idea shortening the sear, never thought of that. You would have to take it slow and not take away to much. I know that when I installed the Huber trigger they recommended drop testing the rifle butt about 6" from the floor with the bolt cocked to see if it would let go from the jar. I found a happy medium with the adjustment. You can actually adjust it to the point that when you close the bolt it will let go.

It would n't be the first day I've wasted..tilting at windmills

That's what I like about the internet..so many people write about stuff that I can usually find some info on these topics

I pay the most attention to the ones who start off with"Don't do this"

Ya can't live as long as I have and not learn something..even if most of it IS the hard way....

Looking for Mosin sears now..Numrich wan'ts 15$ I think...

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TGP has them for $9.00 Swabb, Hell, now you can order a whole shoe box full!
http://www.tngunparts.com/Catalogue.htm

The Internet is an amazing thing! Almost all the projects I have worked on over the past few years would have taken forever to complete had it not been for the net. I've learned so much here on the Files it's unbelievable. Which reminds me it's time for my yearly contribution.

Let me know if you do the trigger spring modification, I've got enough Mosins that it would keep me busy for a while!

Keep your powder dry Jack! I've got 6 inches of snow blowing in tonight, I'll have to lock it in 4x4 to make it in to work tomorrow.

If you don't mind me asking whats the damage for the Huber trigger, was it an easy install, any problems?

Thanks in advance

Hey akinn! Wow! I just checked them out and they have gone up since I purchased mine a couple years ago. I think I paid $70.00 for mine. And it was just the plain Jane. They do have skeletonized triggers for a little more. Now for the basic they are over $80.00.
http://www.huberconcepts.com/Mosin-...Replacement.htm

It's allot of money, but well worth it. I wouldn't put one in a M44, That's kinda like putin $10,000.00 rims on a Ford pinto. But I would definitely put one in a M91 sniper conversion like I did. You just can't get optimal accuracy out of a milsurp with a milsurp trigger, Ain't happening!

Installation was simple. Break down the rifle from the stock. Remove the trigger spring attachment screw, Remove the original trigger, Install the Huber trigger, re-install the trigger spring with Lock-tight on the trigger spring screw. look at the Huber trigger in comparison to the original Russian trigger you will see that they are the exact same length, But the Huber Concepts Anti Friction Ball Trigger will be a little longer at the thick part of the trigger. So when you go to put it back in the stock you will find that some of the wood will have to be removed with a Dremel. I put mine together and worked the trigger back and forth so that I could see where it was rubbing in the stock. Then I Dremeled out a little at a time until it did not rub anymore. Hope this helps!

Ok got the idea, no drilling. I'm up for this. sounds like my next purchase.

Took my 1912 SMLE and the M39. it was 52 and sunny

Prior to shooting the M39, I was planning to order an extra sear and also cut down the firing pin,but...IT DOESN'T NEED ANYTHING

Finns are what Mosins want to be.....WOW...tack driving and super smooth bolts and triggers...I wouldn't change a thing...

I'll tell ya something else..the throats are way tighter than either of my Mosins...
my cast loads were right up against the rifling..too close..I quit shooting them until I can load some more a lil shorter.It sure liked the 147 grainers with 36 grains of H4895,but I'll be shooting mostly cast

My SMLE was a trip as well..it reeeely liked the 180 gr soft points..shot pretty close to POA...action/trigger is smoooth..I guess I'd be as well after almost 100 years

thanks for the TGP tip..orderin some tomorrow

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the throats are way tighter than either of my Mosins...
my cast loads were right up against the rifling

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Nice and warm! 52 and sunny! Must be nice. I cleaned about 6" of snow off the truck this morning and crawled into work. Then at sun up it really started coming down! YUK!

Glad to hear your Finn shot so well, I'd like to have one someday. I guess every Mosin enthusiast should own one. After the PSL purchase it will be a while before I can get me another one.

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The Finn 7.62 x 54r is a little different than the Russian stuff, most of their ball ammo is .308 bore and "pattern 166" ( not sure but that's what I've heard it called)
The throat is tighter than Russian 91/30's. The big "D" on Finn captured Mosins means that the throat was cut down.

not sure on accuracy of info found the "D" thing on 7.62x54r.net awhile ago

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OK, no safety issues.

Propably not. But I wouldn't say it is completely safe to "mix" cartridges. And those calibers are counted as different because measurements are not close enough.

It could be "tested" by pushing bullet through the barrel via cleaning rod (or whatever).

Although during WWII captured ammo were used. And it was mostly dangerous to enemy.