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Old 02-04-2017, 12:33 PM   #36
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How do you like the DD stock?
I love it personally. You get 2 different rubber end pieces to select from. I like the grip as well.

However, I'm not exactly fond of the 15" length handguards. Too beaucoup......too beaucoup
I would prefer them to be 12" as that's my preferred length.

(Left that wide open)
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> Marketing Dept's
> Customer Service.


That's your 2 main selling points for most that drive the price way up.
Cut those 2 out of the equation the prices drop dramatically.

Of course some go the extra mile with > inspections, etc
But if it's all Mil-Spec it's good enough IMO. Just buy a top end barrel, and BCG, is my 2 favored things.
The rest is support.

The new thing lately was to charge retarded prices for Keymod's and Quad rails like $399 for a DD for example.
It mounts things guys, that's it......you hold it, and it mounts things. Imported high quality one's go for $25-$75 all day.

As you can all see Palmetto State Armory's biggest success comes from selling "Kits" for you to build.
They are able to drop several hundred off from not having to pay labor to assemble, and troubleshoot in the AK's or AR's.
So imagine most AR15 "Boutique" companies dropping that, then their Marketing Dept's alone.

Daniel Defense for example would go from $1500 to $750......same range as PSA Premium.
Prepare thread for butthurt fanboi's.

For what it's worth, here's an example of a bronze Daniel Defense furniture kit I bought 5 of, these were $135 last year.
Now the Keymod is not DD but as you can see, it's damn near identical and a specialty color.
$135......they charge 3x that just for their quad rail. It's funny.

I really like the look , and the feel .
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Old 02-05-2017, 07:08 PM   #39
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And the excise tax is only on the lower instead of a complete rifle, which could shave another hundred + off.
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I went with simple/reliable. PSA Freedom Stainless upper with PSA Premium BCG and Anderson lower. Anderson internals as well. MOE SL stock (MOE grip added later) and Troy Fixed "Battle" sight. Grand total was $650 on all items (tools and 6 alum. Mags included) with shipping costs. Not bad. Rifle shoots great. I'm not a high speed low drag operator;



A lot of faggotry surrounds the AR, which is by no fault of its own. I don't like the barrel, but that's what they had. So I got it and it was on sale, too. I will be keeping a more practical approach with my builds, meaning that it'll be a military copy/close to it.
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I think intent here is really the point, seriously premium is often in the mind in ARs. Most manufacturers get their parts from the same subcontractors, maybe with a slightly different finish. Milled, forged BY WHO? In many cases if you tracked the parts they came from the same producer, to slightly different specs and tolerances.

I have gone to sell ARs that I put a lot of money into, and had someone argue that all of those upgrades were simply personal preferences. Ok, then move on and buy something else..

Was same fellow then claiming that night sights on a pistol made it worth more money, which I would agree with, but isn't that also a personal preference?
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This is a subjective topic. Plain and simple.

I've bought cheap, I've bought name brand. You often get what you pay for.

Buy quality items with a good reputation and you'll often be ok. It will fit, function, and last.

Buy cheap, and most times you'll regret it.
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When I began building my Mega's it was my goal to build my AR's to be as high end and nice as I could possibly envision an AR being. I wanted them stand out a bit since just about everyone has an AR nowadays. I've looked at a lot of guns and though countless forum pages of pic threads and I'm biased but IMO some of the nicest semiauto AR's in the country are in this post. Some battle arms development builds and the falkor guns and a few others are very nice as well. But like I said I'm baised so if you disagree with that post a pic of the gun you're referring to so we can see what you mean, I love looking at high end AR's.

So what's the difference? With some of the "high end" guns I can easily visually see a difference with others I can't. I also think there's a lot more of a difference between standard AR15's and billet guns like Mega, Falkor, and Battle Arm's than between forged guns like Daniel defense, Spikes, or BCM. Personally I don't consider brands like DD, Spikes, or BCM to be a "top shelve" AR's anymore although they build geat guns.

I do think some manufacturers charge more for the name on the side. Nobody needs to spend thousands on an AR in order to get a good, reliable gun but I enjoy the high end guns I built more than the other AR's I have. I think most people that own high end guns myself included have them because we want them not because we need them.













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This is a subjective topic. Plain and simple.

I've bought cheap, I've bought name brand. You often get what you pay for.

Buy quality items with a good reputation and you'll often be ok. It will fit, function, and last.

Buy cheap, and most times you'll regret it.
That's a lot of wiggle room you left yourself there by implying everything, but not really saying anything.
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Those DD stocks remind me of those rounded shoe bottoms that were all the rage a few years ago. The ones that were supposed to exercise your legs better when you walked or some shit.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA yeah they do include 2 options, and that's definitely one of them.

However, it does fit into your shoulder area better then a straight wedge.
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So what makes a "high end" AR15 high end?
Why, the idiots willing to throw extra money away, of course.
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So what makes a "high end" AR15 high end?
Why, the idiots willing to throw extra money away, of course.
Shame you feel that way I really enjoy my high end guns.

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To me a high end AR is one that's accurate and never malfunctions. My PSA premium and my home built pistol both fit this definition.

I have a Mega stripped lower that I plan on doing my ultimate high end build on. Honestly my PSA AR does everything I need so I pretty much lost interest in another build.
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High end guns cater to particular users. The price difference comes from higher end materials (stronger and lighter), better triggers, sub-MOA barrels, better stocks, ambi-controls, special finishes on the BCG and better overall fit& finish. Most of the parts are built in house as well which allows tighter control of part tolerance. CS is usually a step above the competition as well.

Does anyone need this stuff to the rifle to function? No. Are they any more reliable than a standard AR? In some aspects, yes. Go take some training classes and you'll see that people with DD, Larue, KAC, etc rifles almost never have problems.

Some people need or want these add-ons for any number of reasons. Some just think they are more badass because they spent more. Other people need a consistent sub-MOA gun so they need high end barrels and triggers. Other people take them out for duty and need more robust parts and need the fancy coatings on the BCG to help with reliable cycling when they start getting dirt/dust int he rifle. Some people dont have room for a lot of different types of ARs so they build 1 or 2 rifle that have all the bells and whistles.
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That's a lot of wiggle room you left yourself there by implying everything, but not really saying anything.
It was pretty straight forward. Simple, and accurate of my feelings on the subject.

Ask questions if you'd like me to explain further.
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What makes an ar15 high end? Barrel and trigger, the rest bells, whistles, and fitment.
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This is a subjective topic. Plain and simple.

I've bought cheap, I've bought name brand. You often get what you pay for.

Buy quality items with a good reputation and you'll often be ok. It will fit, function, and last.

Buy cheap, and most times you'll regret it.
If you don't get that the bolded words don't really mean anything without context, then I don't know what to tell you.
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If you don't get that the bolded words don't really mean anything without context, then I don't know what to tell you.
Yet, you fail to ask any question with meaning for me to answer.

You just keep making vague statements.

If you want me to explain further, please ask away.
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This is a subjective topic. Plain and simple.

I've bought cheap # Anderson, DPMS, Palmetto
I've bought "name" brand # Daniel Defense, Noveske, BCM
You often get what you pay for. #Meaning paying a little more for something from a company with a reputation of quality control will often be worth it.

Buy quality items with a good reputation and you'll often be ok. It will fit, function, and last. # Echoes from above. I have used quite a few brands. I have never had an issue with BCM. I have had issues with Anderson. PSA has been hit or miss. DPMS and CMMG makes some good items.

Buy cheap, and most times you'll regret it. # (Lets use LPK's as an example), I regret ever buying an Anderson LPK. Everything was horrible. In comparison, DPMS, PSA, CMMG LPK's have been great.
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If you don't get that the bolded words don't really mean anything without context, then I don't know what to tell you.

Screw it. Maybe The items in blue with spark some questions.
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I agree ^ above that the Anderson ......I wouldn't buy their LPK's.

They make a very good mil-spec base of upper and lower receiver but that's as far as I would go with Anderson.
These lowers are the lowest cost, and meet the requirements which I haven't seen any particular reason to
spend 2-5x as much on in yielding any reasonable improvements anywhere

I spend more $$$ on the crucial parts like barrel, and BCG, and I always get Nickel Boron LPK's with improved combat trigger from Rguns.
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You don't get it, I wasn't asking you any questions.
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You don't get it, I wasn't asking you any questions.
So, once again. You are proving you aren't here for the content of the thread.
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I agree ^ above that the Anderson ......I wouldn't buy their LPK's.

They make a very good mil-spec base of upper and lower receiver but that's as far as I would go with Anderson.
These lowers are the lowest cost, and meet the requirements which I haven't seen any particular reason to
spend 2-5x as much on in yielding any reasonable improvements anywhere

I spend more $$$ on the crucial parts like barrel, and BCG, and I always get Nickel Boron LPK's with improved combat trigger from Rguns.
Worst LPK experience I have ever had. Kicker is, it was going into an Anderson Lower.

I literally threw that POS away. The springs and that silver trigger group were awful. I went and bought a CMMG LPK and it went together no hassle.

There was a noticeable difference in quality.
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So, once again. You are proving you aren't here for the content of the thread.
You weren't adding content to this thread just dropped a few names and generalities. Answer me this, why should people be asking you questions? What have you offered up that should make people seek out your opinion?
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You weren't adding content to this thread just dropped a few names and generalities. Answer me this, why should people be asking you questions? What have you offered up that should make people seek out your opinion?
Finally a question! A loaded one at that.

What makes anybody qualified??

As well, I asked why YOU hadn't asked since you had an issue with my original post. YOU had an issue with how I answered to the OP's question.

The OP obviously had a question that he trusted to the members here. I feel I had enough experience to answer. I felt my post was decisive enough without providing a whole page worth of info.
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Mrgunsngear put up an interesting video yesterday on his B channel about that all LPKs are not the same. Good watch.
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Does he show the difference between LPKs, or does he talk about the difference between LPKs? Also, does he use one specific brand to generalize faulty LPKs, or does he treat each brand offering as unique and something that should stand on it's own merit? Because I guaranty you throwing out some FUD (Fear, unknown, doubt) about BCM, based on a failed DD part, would raise some flags with most forum go-ers, even though it's doubtful that either company makes their own LPKs.

Obviously I'm asking rhetorical questions, as I went and watch the video, and already know the answer to all of these. If I went to a mechanic and he told me my vehicle had a problem, I'd expect him to show me the problem. I don't know why people act differently when it comes to ARs.
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Finally a question! A loaded one at that.

What makes anybody qualified??

As well, I asked why YOU hadn't asked since you had an issue with my original post. YOU had an issue with how I answered to the OP's question.

The OP obviously had a question that he trusted to the members here. I feel I had enough experience to answer. I felt my post was decisive enough without providing a whole page worth of info.
Well done!
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Mrgunsngear put up an interesting video yesterday on his B channel about that all LPKs are not the same. Good watch.
Where's the video ??? can't find it.....

https://www.youtube.com/user/Mrgunsngear/videos
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https://youtu.be/f0MH_6_F_6Y

It's on his "B" channel.
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Here's a name I havent heard yet on this thread ( I may have missed it so forgive me if I missed a post or several) Rock River Arms Inc.!!!

Can't really go wrong with Rock River. Probably one of the most predominant in the NRA/CMP circuits.

If you don't have experience with them, they are worth at least checking into. I really enjoy their products. Just one guys .02c.
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https://youtu.be/f0MH_6_F_6Y

It's on his "B" channel.
thanks for finding it and posting.

I've stuck with larger manufacturers myself, but the springs are something I gotta look into more.
I've never seen anyone specifically stipulate that the buffer springs meet the TDP / Mil-spec regardless of manufacturer.....

Sounds like something that should be posted in the advertisements that almost never is.....anywhere.
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To me and possibly to more of you than you will admit, form is just as important as function it adds to pride of ownership. Surely you guys get that right? Especially the ones (or one in particular) of you that are into muscle cars. To use him to make a point, would your car be as much fun to own if the same engine and transmission were in the body of a Pinto or a Vega? But it would run and drive the same so didn't you waste your money by paying more for a nicer looking car body? For those of you reading that doesn't represent my opinion but if I were to treat the guy like it did would it not come off as envy? What is the purpose of this thread anyway? If a guy has $$$ to burn on an AR and wants something nicer than the average AR I don't see why he's faulted for that it's a free country.

I see don't where people are telling others that they must spend X amount of money for a high end AR or the gun will be unreliable and get them killed. Nor do I see people explaining that others must have a high end AR because all else is trash. Of course there will always be a few A Holes out there but for the most part I'm not seeing the elitist attitude with firearms nearly as bad as it used to be.

I do however see a difference in how nice many of the high end guns are when compared to standard AR15's the difference is plainly visable and very obvious.




Mega Arms










Battle Arms





Falkor Defense



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Falkor's "Petra" 300 Norma Mag above just for kicks and BC I think it's cool. The round is the equivalent to 338LM. The Petra has a Draco's barrel system which has a hollow sleve that is filled with composite that prevents the barrel from reaching high temps thus extending barrel life. The barrel system was tested next to milspec barrels in full auto fire the milspec barrels reached 1500º at opposed to the draco's which reached only 400º. Falkor will be offering a lifetime warranty on the barrel, if you wear it out they'll replace it for free. Quite a statement of confidence in the system when traditional 300 Norma barrels wear out in less than 1, 500 rounds.

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