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Yeah there's one on gunbroker for $1500. Magazines are rare and very expensive. As much as I like it, it's still an AK and still going to grind up the brass. It is badass though.

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Kaleb, Happy to help any way I can. You will choose well, no matter what rifle you go with. Your doing the right thing by listening to your inner voice.

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Thanks everyone.

I have to lay this aside for a while. Not so much backburner, but I have to let my finances recover. For the time being I am focusing on my handguns. I m going to pick up some spare parts and more magazines, and really spend the next few months on some hardcore improvements on my ability with them. I'm practicing every weekend, and in the fall I will register with a group that teaches tactical handgun courses on 4 different levels.



If your not as good as you should be, do something about it guys. I've never felt like it was this close before in my life.

If two is one and one is none, I should really get another XD 45 I'm thinking. I'm wondering if I should trade one of my last toys for another service pistol.

This one I REALLY hate to part with. There's very little Ruger left in it. The entire action has been professionally reworked, custom grips and the grip frame custom contoured. *SIgh* I just don't see it as being very practical. I don't live in bear country so a big bore side arm seems useless now in my more focused point of view. This is where the rubber meets the road for me and the subject of this thread. Decisions.

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Yeah there's one on gunbroker for $1500. Magazines are rare and very expensive. As much as I like it, it's still an AK and still going to grind up the brass. It is badass though.

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WHAT WOULD YOU DO???


If two is one and one is none, I should really get another XD 45 I'm thinking. I'm wondering if I should trade one of my last toys for another service pistol.

This one I REALLY hate to part with. There's very little Ruger left in it. The entire action has been professionally reworked, custom grips and the grip frame custom contoured. *SIgh* I just don't see it as being very practical. I don't live in bear country so a big bore side arm seems useless now in my more focused point of view. This is where the rubber meets the road for me and the subject of this thread. Decisions.

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Thanks Doc, the more I look at her, the more I cannot bear to part with her. My precious

I gotta get rid of some stuff though. The gun shop ain't giving it away.
I wish I knew somebody with a 9mm Glock. I'd love to try one. I said before I was pretty happy with my handguns...yeah that proved to be a lie. I just got back from the range and this XD45 is a real disappointment. I thought it was the sights so I put a set of tritium Mepro sights on it. It didn't improve much. I'm going to keep on with it for a while longer before I sling it in the bushes. It's probably just me. My wife has an XD9 and I tear one ragged hole with it all day long. If I didn't have SOOOO much 45 ammo I'd ditch it and get another XD9 so we would match. I probably should anyway. I've just always liked the 45 better. It does hit harder. Well, if you can put the GDed things where they need to go it does!
I really can't be thinking about a Glock because I cast all my handgun bullets, and Glock's factory barrels and cast boolits don't mix well.

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I've read all the posts and I agree with a lot of peoples points.. about battle rifles I recommend you spend $20 and buy a book first, Boston's Gun Bible By Boston T Party.. It will make your choices easier.. your talking survival at this point.. My opinions are #1 quality built M-14 Chrome lined barrel, vortex Flash Suppressor, USGI fiberglass stock, Saldak scope mount and a middle of the road Leupold scope.. or a IOR Valdada scope. 4X is fine.. SEI makes new chrome lined barrel 18" designed for the Special ball Ie 175 gr BTHP match ammo.. M1A's are not too bad on brass life but any semi auto will shorten the life of brass..more than a bolt gun.. M-14 have better triggers and better sights than the FAL..but the sights are more prone to get knocked loose or move.. M-14 would be my choice.. Springfield Armory has run out of USGI parts.. so they are using parts made in China or brazil to make their rifles with these days, so some quality issues have come up.. they still have a great warranty and I'd not feel bad about buying one... LRB are forged but very very expensive.. Fulton's M14 receivers are made by Armscorp, now james river..and also very expensive these days.. The problems with M-14's are parts and mags are very expensive, FAL's parts and mags are very cheap.. were talking 10 times more common and cheap than the M-14. A Quality FAL #2 they are not hard to build.. parts kits and receivers are available.. they are very reliable have adjustable gas system and mags are low priced.. Gun plumber is very good but he ain't cheap and he is a very busy ..not all that pleasant of a guy to talk to also... There are other guns you may think about getting a PSL 762X54R with optics $500 you can have a AK that shoots the 7.62X54R cartridge.. Just a thought... B2B

B2B, I had a PSL, I hated it. I'm beginning to think I'm just impossible to please. Let me check.....






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Kaleb, My reasons for the Ak is simplicity.
Nobody knows what ,IF any threats you might confront at any time if TSHTF,
all these rifles shown sre really sharp & if they group as good as they look{&probably do} they serve thier particular purpose .
But you might end up having to fire one handed ,or off handed{leftie} one handed ,across aroom--AK wins
Yeah I know this sounds ridiculous
I don't believe civillians will fight pitched battles against big groups,
But you might end up with scavengers,or ghetto types inside your house at 3AM .
Then your AK or 12 ga. with a lite &lazer will be priceless.
What I meant about your comment on "GUMBY" & 75RD. DRUM fed AK , if you had "targets" IN THE OPEN ,
AND you can squeeze off aimed rds.
Theyare in trouble
You can hit every one you can see IN THE OPEN .
If "you "can't hit a human size target @200yds.with an AK better join the ARMY & get into an ARTILLERY outfit.
I think the BEST thing to do is keep it simple as you can.
Stress is going to affect your performance,The simpler things are the better .

What did you hate about your PSL?? Other than the thumbhole stock?? I just built two and I'm impressed with the first one I test fired.. A Stretch AK really with very inexpensive range finding scopes.. With a scope rail adapter and some better optics/ rings, I could see some nice DMR uses.. I built one with a NDS receiver so it uses standard AK stock and PG.. eliminating that POS thumbhole.. I got a 308 AK I like it (preban youo) but I'd take an M-14 over it in a SHTF any day of the week and twice on Sunday for better sights alone.. The M-1 garand was used in WW2 it is a combat proven gun the M-14 is really just a M1 with improved fire power and gas system.. Read Bostons GB it's worth it's weight in gold for the info in it.. B2B

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BTW, I have found the ULTIMATE rifle I believe. Sadly, there is no way in hell I will ever afford it. It's got EVERYTHING a man could want. There's one on Gunbroker RIGHT now for about 10 grand. I'll give you some clues. Selective fire, in between the Garand and M14........Italian company??????


I'm in love. Someone loan me 10K so i can buy it!!!!! Ten thousand really isn't a lot of money for a quality selective fire 308 you know

Wow you must have had a lemon.. I test fired mine a few weeks ago, shot about 2 inch didn't seem to even dent the brass, but it's berdan primed, non reloadble anyway.. so who cares.. I shot CZ silver tip and bulgarian brass case ball.. I built mine so I can see if you got it from TN gun is may have been bad, they built some crap from what I've seen.. BM-59 is cool but select fire you can do with out.. an save about 8000 bones in the process.. B2B

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BTW, I have found the ULTIMATE rifle I believe. Sadly, there is no way in hell I will ever afford it. It's got EVERYTHING a man could want. There's one on Gunbroker RIGHT now for about 10 grand. I'll give you some clues. Selective fire, in between the Garand and M14........Italian company??????


I'm in love. Someone loan me 10K so i can buy it!!!!! Ten thousand really isn't a lot of money for a quality selective fire 308 you know

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Well shit... If you had 10k to spare you could get a 308 AK and ammo for life!
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Well I started the next phase of putting things in order. There's been some debate here about me overlooking ak's. Well I just ordered a new stock set from Ironwood for my Yugo M70B1. I'll post a pic when done. I have tried so many different things to make this rifle comfortable and look cool and failed every time. Done fooling around. If I could get an optic mounted on this rifle and reload for it easier, I'd focus solely on it, but as such....brass is retardedly expensive. Good thing I piled up many moons ago.

The rifle is built on a Nodakspud receiver. It'd be a pain to put a side rail on. The ammo I stocked up on isn't technically corrosive but looks like a Siberian grizzly took a shit in it after a few hundred, so I need to be able to take off the gas tube reasonably. Any other options for mounting a low power optic? I ain't fooling with no top cover mounts, but it doesn't have to be super accurate for this particular rifle. Minute of spleen or two minutes of lung is close enough.

If you go AK. Don't forget the gatorbakk stle rail. You can keep the front sight and use a AR style flip up rear while still having some type optic on top!

IMO-this rail is this style mount is the best option for the AK because you can mount the scope at a comfortable height. The gator like I have is the cheaper version of one that I can't recall the name of and I'm too lazy to look it up on phone. But it has the ability to be lifted so the top cover is easier to get to.

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If you go AK. Don't forget the gatorbakk stle rail. You can keep the front sight and use a AR style flip up rear while still having some type optic on top!

IMO-this rail is this style mount is the best option for the AK because you can mount the scope at a comfortable height. The gator like I have is the cheaper version of one that I can't recall the name of and I'm too lazy to look it up on phone. But it has the ability to be lifted so the top cover is easier to get to.

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Yeah. My gatorbakk is rock solid but you have to remove one screw to flip it up to remove the dust cover. The Bernyl or something like that has a release so it flips up. They are also very expensive. The one I bought was $70. I have removed the screw to clean it and it didn't change the zero any. Just have to have a screw driver handy if you want to acess the bolt/carrier.

If I recall. David's Collectables sells a knock-off no name brand of the gatorbakk for $40. I would have bought that one if I had found it before I bought the one I did. Hell it might even be the gatorbakk and he just doesn't have the name on his web site.

I hate having tp do this from my.

Forgot OMT: it is the lowest AK scope mount I've use or handled. I have two scope mounts for side rails and both are higher than my gator.

I hope that covers everthing.

I hate using this phone for my web fix!

Thanks Captain but they don't fit Yugo's. No rear trunnion stock screw.

Hope you get your 'puter fixed soon!

I can't imagine that it would be any work at all for you to mount a decent side rail/optics from kalinka or somebody on your yugo?removing fire control group is all...

that method seems to be the best for mounting optics?

I've only had one AK with the rail, but the scope mount slid off and back on easily and locked down solidly...

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Yes, but this receiver is hard......VERY hard. I'm lucky I had a solid carbide drill the right size just to open up the rivet holes [screw build]

That's probably what I'll do, I just don't wanna....

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Thanks Captain but they don't fit Yugo's. No rear trunnion stock screw.

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I got my wood for my Yugo in today and I traded off one of my lesser "clunker" bolt actions for a complete AR lower w/ stock. I did well on that. I had less than $100 in the gun. I thought it might make for good spare parts for the AR I just bought, but you know that won't fly, I'll have it built soon.

At the gun show I molested a Saiga .308 22 inch barrel. I like it! If I was convinced it wouldn't destroy brass, I'd be all over it. Great value, and I read they are pretty dang accurate. Course I'd have to do a few mods like pull the front sight and shorten the barrel to 18-19 inches. Put the sight back & Scope it. One thing I wouldn't do that everyone else seems to do is remove that rear stock. I likes me that rear stock! I'm not a fan of pistol grips so it suits me well.
Does anyone know WHAT exactly fouls up the cases on these rifles? Is there something I can change, polish, deburr, anything? I wonder if one was to build a gas regulator, if that would help? *Sigh* What an inexpensive solution it could be. It's so light. Magazines don't seem to be a major issue.

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At the gun show I molested a Saiga .308 22 inch barrel. I like it! If I was convinced it wouldn't destroy brass, I'd be all over it. Great value, and I read they are pretty dang accurate. Course I'd have to do a few mods like pull the front sight and shorten the barrel to 18-19 inches. Put the sight back & Scope it. One thing I wouldn't do that everyone else seems to do is remove that rear stock. I likes me that rear stock! I'm not a fan of pistol grips so it suits me well.
Does anyone know WHAT exactly fouls up the cases on these rifles? Is there something I can change, polish, deburr, anything? I wonder if one was to build a gas regulator, if that would help? *Sigh* What an inexpensive solution it could be. It's so light. Magazines don't seem to be a major issue.

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I know on both of my Saiga .223 conversions that its the reciever cover thats trashing the brass cases, possible to pick up different reciever cover and do a bit of alterations to try and cut down on brass damage. other option would be to work on ejector rail but thats really not a good thing to be messing with.

I'll just stick with my 4 FAL rifles for high cap reach out distance.

by the way Kaleb there is a new batch of Russian Capture K98 Mausers that came in. www.dansammo.com click on the white box with 8/25/10 on the website for pics. i talked to him on Friday said it would be a couple weeks before there put up for sale.

he is a 1/2 hour drive from my place, i may go hand pick a K98 in a few weeks.

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by the way Kaleb there is a new batch of Russian Capture K98 Mausers that came in. www.dansammo.com click on the white box with 8/25/10 on the website for pics. i talked to him on Friday said it would be a couple weeks before there put up for sale.

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