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Old 11-11-2018, 03:47 PM   #1
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A chamber insert for Mosins to shoot 7.62 x 39?

Yes I know it's a rimless cartridge but maybe with a customized bolt or extractor?
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I do not believe a Mosin Nagant bolt head will be of any use in trying to chamber or extract a rimless 7,62x39 cartridge.
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Apparently there have been 7.62x25 and .32 ACP adapters, but those are single-shot where the factory bolt pulls the adapter out and you have to manually load a new cartridge into the adapter. Maybe 7.62x39 could be made to work like that, but why?
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I'm referring to a semi permament chamber sleeve, for cheaper ammo and allowing younger/weaker shooters to experience the Mosin. One day here the x 54R mil surp is going to completely dry up

Similar was done in the old days to M1 Garands to shoot 7.62 NATO. But here it seems a modified bolt or at least extractor would be required
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There is plenty of commercial 54r available. It will be here for decades to come.
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7.62x54R is still the LMG round for countries that use the PKM, so it'll be around for a while. I think the reason we haven't been getting more surplus is because they're using it in Ukraine and the middle east. Commercial will be cheap until we sanction Russian ammo.

.30-06 to .308 is much easier because the rims are compatible and lengths are close enough for magazine blocks. Century did similar conversions on MAS49/56s, from 7.5 French to .308.

So you're looking at sleeving the chamber, replacing the bolt head, and modifying the magazine, on a rifle that's worth at least $250. At that point you're probably better off buying a commercial CZ bolt action in 7.62x39.
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7.62x54R is still the LMG round for countries that use the PKM, so it'll be around for a while. I think the reason we haven't been getting more surplus is because they're using it in Ukraine and the middle east. Commercial will be cheap until we sanction Russian ammo.

.30-06 to .308 is much easier because the rims are compatible and lengths are close enough for magazine blocks. Century did similar conversions on MAS49/56s, from 7.5 French to .308.

So you're looking at sleeving the chamber, replacing the bolt head, and modifying the magazine, on a rifle that's worth at least $250. At that point you're probably better off buying a commercial CZ bolt action in 7.62x39.
I wouldn't do it as a one off. Was just wondering the logistics of it and if there was a kit. As far as supply, I hope you guys are right and it comes back at sane prices
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I wouldn't do it as a one off. Was just wondering the logistics of it and if there was a kit. As far as supply, I hope you guys are right and it comes back at sane prices
I don't know if kits would ever catch on. They weren't popular before because 54R was cheap, and now that Mosins moved from cheap shooters to cheap collectables, people aren't as price sensitive about ammo or as willing to modify their guns.

Maybe your local shop doesn't have 7.62x54R, but it's definitely out there. Check a deal site like gun-deals.com or AmmoSeek.com. SGAmmo, OutdoorLimited, and others have surplus and commercial in the $0.40-0.50/round range.
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I have plenty to fuel all my Mosins for a war, obtained at 11 cents a pop in tins. At that price I'd rather be shooting one of my x 51 battle rifles
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Shoot the 11 cent ammo or sell of enough to purchase a lower power firearm or AR upper for the younger or gentler shooters.
Heck., a $150 AR drop in 22 caL adaptor is cheap to shoot and the same look and feel as a M16/4 etc.
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Shoot the 11 cent ammo or sell of enough to purchase a lower power firearm or AR upper for the younger or gentler shooters.
Heck., a $150 AR drop in 22 caL adaptor is cheap to shoot and the same look and feel as a M16/4 etc.
I have plenty of 22s and another GSG ak 22 coming. The point was to shoot readily available 25 cent .30 cal ammo that could even be used for deer hunting
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OK.., but for deer hunting., how many rounds are needed. 10-12 rounds.
Maybe more if a re-zero etc.
I guess shooting a 7.62 AK works too.
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to introduce children to mosin
use the Czech white tip hollow core ammo
same boom zero recoil
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to introduce children to mosin
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I've never seen this ammo in the USA. This does not mean it hasn't been imported, but it's not common. In spite of the cost, I'm buying Boxer primed x 51 when it's available, because at some point there will be no more surplus

I would train children in the USA with what are called "cat sneezes" = a 0 buckshot pellet instead of a bullet, and handgun pistol powder and rifle primer

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I thought MCA Sports used to make one, but it looks like they are TU.
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My 11 year old daughter loves shooting my PU. I was loading lite loads for her until one day she ran out and wanted to shoot some of my 174gr full loads. She has never gone back to the lite loads.
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7.62x54R is still the LMG round for countries that use the PKM, so it'll be around for a while. I think the reason we haven't been getting more surplus is because they're using it in Ukraine and the middle east.
This is the reason cheap 54r milsurp is less plentiful, we have got the same situation here in Europe and the sanctions against Russia aren't helping.

What we are seeing here in the UK is more Chinese milsurp coming in.Two companies in the Czech Republic, one of them being the STV Group, bought millions of rounds of Chinese ammunition from Albania.It was ammunition that the Chinese sold to Albania during the Cold War and Albania had to get rid of it all as one of the conditions of joining NATO.

I bought a load of it a few weeks back, both 54r and 7.62x39, and it is all in copper-washed cases and '70s-dated.

If things settle down in Ukraine and the Middle East and sanctions against Russia are dropped we may well get cheap surplus again but I'm not holding my breath!.
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Unfortunately Chinese ammo is banned for import into USA. Even Canada gets it but we "free" US peoples cannot get more

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Unfortunately Chinese ammo is banned for import into USA. Even Canada gets it but we "free" US peoples cannot get more

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Can you not get it if it has sat in another country for years before its imported?.The Chinese stuff from the Czech Republic is repackaged in STV Group cardboard boxes, boxes of 500 for 7.62x39 and boxes of 300 for 54r, and unless you checked the headstamps and knew what you where looking at it could be assumed it was Czech ammo.
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Can you not get it if it has sat in another country for years before its imported?.The Chinese stuff from the Czech Republic is repackaged in STV Group cardboard boxes, boxes of 500 for 7.62x39 and boxes of 300 for 54r, and unless you checked the headstamps and knew what you where looking at it could be assumed it was Czech ammo.
Not really sure about that, mate. I know it can be true for parts kits

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I'm referring to a semi permament chamber sleeve, for cheaper ammo and allowing younger/weaker shooters to experience the Mosin. One day here the x 54R mil surp is going to completely dry up

Similar was done in the old days to M1 Garands to shoot 7.62 NATO. But here it seems a modified bolt or at least extractor would be required
The only way to experience the Baltic Jackhammer is the way it was designed and built. The US Navy attempted to convert M1 Garands to .308 with chamber inserts, and they failed miserably. If you absolutely have to do something to reduce the recoil of a Mosin, put the barreled action in an Archangel stock.
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Can you not get it if it has sat in another country for years before its imported?.The Chinese stuff from the Czech Republic is repackaged in STV Group cardboard boxes, boxes of 500 for 7.62x39 and boxes of 300 for 54r, and unless you checked the headstamps and knew what you where looking at it could be assumed it was Czech ammo.
No, as it likely has a mild steel core, and we cannot get that imported any longer.
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The only way to experience the Baltic Jackhammer is the way it was designed and built. The US Navy attempted to convert M1 Garands to .308 with chamber inserts, and they failed miserably. If you absolutely have to do something to reduce the recoil of a Mosin, put the barreled action in an Archangel stock.
Mosin being a bolt gun I had the idea that the insert might work. Thinking now about finding a beater Mosin and rebarrel it with a stainless 7.62 x 39 barrel. It's not about recoil, it's about having a cheap bolt gun in x 39

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That will take some hella bolt head and ejector mods.
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Mosin being a bolt gun I had the idea that the insert might work. Thinking now about finding a beater Mosin and rebarrel it with a stainless 7.62 x 39 barrel. It's not about recoil, it's about having a cheap bolt gun in x 39

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Mosin being a bolt gun I had the idea that the insert might work. Thinking now about finding a beater Mosin and rebarrel it with a stainless 7.62 x 39 barrel. It's not about recoil, it's about having a cheap bolt gun in x 39

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That will take some hella bolt head and ejector mods.
Yup. 7.62x54R=rimmed. 7.62x39=rimless. The most common caliber conversion I know of is to 45-70. Apparently, the over-all cartridge length, rim diameter and thickness are very similar to 7.62x54R.

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Mosin being a bolt gun I had the idea that the insert might work. Thinking now about finding a beater Mosin and rebarrel it with a stainless 7.62 x 39 barrel. It's not about recoil, it's about having a cheap bolt gun in x 39

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Threading, turning and profiling a barrel blank is ptetty big machining and fitting work.
The bolt face and extractor mods pretty extensive as well.
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Threading, turning and profiling a barrel blank is ptetty big machining and fitting work.
The bolt face and extractor mods pretty extensive as well.
Buddy of mine is going to start a biz doing it. Forgotten Weapons guy Ian did a video years ago on a gunsmithing channel that went nowhere, on doing a Mauser .308 conversion, which I also have planned. Very similar. I already have the 7.62 NATO Mauser barrels and a Yugo 48

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Buddy of mine is going to start a biz doing it. Forgotten Weapons guy Ian did a video years ago on a gunsmithing channel that went nowhere, on doing a Mauser .308 conversion, which I also have planned. Very similar. I already have the 7.62 NATO Mauser barrels and a Yugo 48

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Buddy of mine is going to start a biz doing it. Forgotten Weapons guy Ian did a video years ago on a gunsmithing channel that went nowhere, on doing a Mauser .308 conversion, which I also have planned. Very similar. I already have the 7.62 NATO Mauser barrels and a Yugo 48

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Well, you do not need to modify the bolt, extractor, ejector or magazine to convert a 7.92x57mm to 7.62x51mm. I hve a very nice, scrubbed Spanish Mauser converted into an Izzy .308.
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Not that I am any expert on this., but rimless cartridge conversions are much different than rimmed to rimless bolt head configuration.

Luckily the bolt head on the MN is removeable so in theory fabbing a replacement might be a bit easier.
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Yeah, fabbing a bolt head for the Mosin would be the way to go, since the x54r bolt face is also cupped. That would make headspacing a lot more certain than with a welded-up bolt head would.
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